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Thomas Penny
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To: Jones David M; Thomas Penny, Wilkerson Guy }
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Subject: Re: FW: WEST BYFLEET ISSUES ' I
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Thanks David
Jarnail is the criminal lawyer dealing with it at this end. ‘
Kind regards
Hugh
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I-am in Court tomorrow but will be available at breaks etc.
If you need me please call my mobile or send me a text
David
David M Jones, Head of Legal
UK Private Sector Division
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From: Thomas Penny
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Hugh
Mark Dinsdale is the Security Team Manager in Salford.
Kind regards
Penny
Penny Thomas
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Q3 February 2010 15
To: Jones David M
Ce: Wilkerson Guy; Thomas Penny weed
Subject: Re: FW: WEST BYFLEET ISSUES
Thank you
Stupid question - who at Pol is the contact on this plse?
I Subject: : WEST BYFLEET ISSUES
Hugh
Please see attached FYI.
sujitsu is very keen to try and help POL with this matter and provide information to
sespond to the Defence request. Please let me know if I-can help in any way.
Guy is the Commercial person responsible for the contractual aspects of providing this
work to POL under our contract and Penny is pulling together the inputs on our service
and the applications.
Please do not hesitate to contact me if I can assist in any way.
Best wishes
David
David M Jones, Head of Legal
UK Private Sector Division
From: Jones David M
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Sent: 03 February 2010 11:42
To: Thomas Penny; Wilkerson Guy
Cc: Keeling David; Lillywhite Tom; Williams Roger; Roberts David (LON22)
Subject: RE: WEST BYFLEET ISSUES
Importance: High
Penny / Guy
I have now looked at this - both at the background and the specific information
requested by the Defence Expert.
It is for POL to decide what they want us to do to support the prosecution as although
there is no "property" in a witness we are engaged to support POL contractually and
will need them to cover the work involved. We should ask POL (and via them their
counsel) to confirm that they want us to do the work requested and. whether they want
us to provide -
1. Access to the appropriate person with whom I can discuss how to’
access an unencrypted version of the transaction files held on the
sub-post office terminals related to the Hosi case.
2. Access to the appropriate person with whom I can discuss the
structure of the transaction files, the mechanisms by which they are tes ad
synchronized with the central system and the records held centrally.
3. An unencrypted copy of full transaction log of the sub-post office
terminals related to the Hosi case.
4. An unencrypted copy of the corresponding records held by the central
system
We heed to explain what can be done and the time scales and costs involved and then
Guy can put in place an ATP to cover the work involved. If this work cannot be done in
the timescales ordered by the court then we heed to tell POL and its counsel so that
they can apply to court for more time.
We
need an ATP and or specific authority not just to cover our costs involved but to
ensure that any disclosure and work have POL's approval.
POL and its counsel must also agree how we provide any access to our people for the
Defence expert and who is also present and ‘how the exchanges are recorded and minuted. -
Any access must be subject to confidentiality agreement or a release from POL - our
standard NDA will need amending if we are going down this route.
All access should be joint with a suitable POL person in attendance so that issues
that arise from their requirements can be dealt with by POL and not us.
If necessary please feel free to forward this note to POL.
Rest wishes
David
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David M Jones, Head of Legal
UK Private Sector Division
Thomas Penny
03 February 2010 10:40
: Jones David M
: Keeling David; Lillywhite Tom
Subject: FW: WEST, BYFLEET ISSUES
Importance: High
David
Please find below the list of questions asked of our expert witness.
Attachments are:-
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9cl5.misra - 2nd interim technical. expert's report 19.11.09 - defence's expert
accountant's report - comments requested
0202.Gareth - West Byfleet Final - Gareth's (Fujitsu expert)
responses to the defence's expert accountant's report
143.rtf - Eleanor Nixon's statement - comments requested
In addition, and to present the whole picture for West Byfleet, a witness statement
prepared by Andy Dunks covering helpdesk calls for the outlet duriing the period 30
June 2005 to 31 December 2009 has already been returned to Post Office Ltd - WS West
Byfleet 126023
Also looming is the Post Office Ltd prosecution relating to the outlet Porters Avenue.
The attached collection of notes - Porters Avenue Issues - are also relevant.
As explained in my previous note the urgency here is that during the pre-court hearing
for West Byfleet on Monday 1 February the judge ordered that all the defence requests
for further information be answered by 4pm on Monday 8 February.
Kind regards
Penny
venny :
I have just spoken to the solicitor dealing with this case. The question raised by
our barrister in his advice states with regards the Eleanor Nixon statement is as
follows, ‘
" The witness statement does not reveal a problem with Horizon's reliability but
rather a mistake that can easily be made’with the layout of the screen. It may be
that the alleged layout problem is something which Fujitsu are aware of and has been
rectified. A copy of Mrs Nixon's statement should be forwarded to Fujitsu for their:
comments. It should also be straightforward to ascertain whether or not Mrs Misra was
falling into the trap identified by Mrs Nixon. «~ The error described would presumably
create a cash shortage matched by an equal surplus elsewhere". :
A response to this question by Fujitsu would be appreciated, however brief.
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