POL00062577
Schedule of Non-Sensitive
Unused Material
‘The Disclosure Officer believes that the following material which does not form part of the prosecution case is NOT SENSITIVE
ttem DESCRIPTION WHERE I FORLEGAL
No HELD ak SERVICES USE
I ‘COMMENT
4. I Copy of Information for warrant to enter and search premises ~ I S&1 Team
evidence {(P.18A)} Watford
be
Capy of Warrant to search and enter premises (P.19)
Copy of Custody Record —
No:200C00227/03)
we
ALJ Notice of Bail -
5,I Copy of Custody Record +
No:20DC00228/03)
cs
7.) Transcript of Interview of
& excise officers on 13.07.03
{I Transcript of Interview of
officers on 14.01.03 plus one (1) matér tape. i
4.1 Copy of Custody Record ~ Carl Adrian Page (Ref No:109/ 3)
10.I Notice of Bail - Cari Adrian Page (Ref No:109/ 3)
uw eany. of letter from Dc Deans (Staffordshire Police) to!
dated 7” May 2003 informing him that the
had completed their part of the enquires and were not pursuing
ihe matter any further themselves.
}2.I initial transaction schedules in relation to sale of euros and
transfer in of euros between 18.12.02 to 13.01.03 at Rugeley
Post Office
Signature of Officer Reviewing Lawyer
Name . _ * ENTER
I = Defence may inspect
eRe cnrummmmme Page TOF 1” pages
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' Schedule of Non-Sensitive Unused Material
(Continuation Sheet}
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‘The Disciosure Officer believes that the following material which does not form part of the prosecution case is NOT SENSITIVE
Item
No
DESCRIPTION
WHERE
HELD
FOR LEGAL
SERVICES USE
a.
&,
ak,
.I Various schedules illustratin:
.I Copy NatWest Current Plus Bank Account number
.I Copy NatWest Advantage Gold Bank Account number
.I Rough Manuscript copy of schedule MP/79. Cheque detay
.I Copy of sales receipts from Co ep Travel store in Rugeley
i Copy of Statement from;
"I Copy of Letter sent to; GRO by Mr M Patel on
Various draft schedules of MP/3 in different stages of
completion.
cheques & RPX Recycled Plasfits Lid cheqtiés together with
Bureau de Change currency figures frorn Rugeley Post Office.
in the name of Mr Carl Adrian Page covering the period
13.12.01 to 13.03.02.
Capy NatWest Current Account numb jn the name
of Mr Carl Adrian Page trading as Rugeléy Post Office covering
the period 08.02.02 to 01.10.02.
jn the name of Mr Cari Adrian Page covering the
13.03.02 to 04.10.02.
period
Draft copies of Foreign Currency Discrepancies schedule MP/6
in various stages of completion.
schedule covering week No. 1 to Week No. 6.
illustrating exchange rates for the sale of euros between
09.03.02 fo 13.01.03.
Copy of Statement from M
Copy of Stetement from
Schedule of Euro note buy backs from! GRO lat
Thomas Cook Birmingham New Street, I, Cannock and
Tamworth. (Customs & Excise original schedule) i
05.05.03 requesting a mm S working practices
whilst she was employed at Rugeley Post Office..
“ENTER
Continuation Sheet Number
CSO06C (Coat)
“COMMENT
D = Disclose to defence
I = Defence may inspect
Version 3.0 14/02
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{Continuation Sheet)
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POLO006295//
The Disclosure Officer believes that the following material which does not form part of the prosecution case is NOT SENSITIVE
litem DESCRIPTION “WHERE FOR LEGAL
No HELD SERVICES USE
“COMMENT
I I Letter received from: Hated 42.05.03
declining a meeting wi I
i
2:7.) Copy of Audit notes made by Mr R Davies relating to the audit
of Rugeley Post Office on 27" June 2002.
28.I Copy of Interview notes held on 3% July 2002 between Mr Carl
Page, Mr J Coney (RLM) and Mrs irene Bortowski (Contracts
Manager) regarding the issues raised following the audit of
Rugeley Post office on 27.06.02.
aa,
Continuation Sheet Number
Copy of letter sent to Mr Carl Page on 7ht August 2002 by Mr
Jim Coney expressing his concerns to Mr page about the level
of cash holdings at the office and declaration of Overnight cash
holding (ONCH) figures.
“ENTER
CSO0GC (Cont)
D = Disclose to defence
i = Defence may inspect
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PULUUUOsLVI
Police copy Informasion for warrant
to enter and search
premises - evidence. (P.18A.)
P.C.E. Act 1984, s. 8
IN iE COUNTY OF STAFFORD
COURT STAFFORD MY SIS TRATES I oe (for court use only)
DATE [B& Tan ne~ 2ood.
INFORMANT TOW SET _- Rank DO No. 3 920,
INFORMATION Laid on oath/affirmation before me for the issue of a warrant under the provisions of section 8
of the Police and Criminal Evidence Act 1984 to enter and search premises. at ROW4L MAIL Jeli
Prem rece A
-
eae SLE
and searen for: DOCUMOStAN [torapa AON Lecept .
GROUNDS OF The informant has reasonable grounds for believing that
APPLICATION
@ a serious arrestable offence has been committed, NAMELY (EFT
AND
Gi) there is material on the premises which is likely to, be of substantial value to
the investigation of the offence, NAMELY (Ase Docorrossatfintberaes LACED
AN!
(ii) the material is likely to be relevant evidence (specify) 70 Conse i OFaNE
ConKeT ast + AN
(iv) the material does not consist of or include items subject to legal
privilege/excluded material/special procedure material
AND
(¥) ¥ Ipdicate which of the below applies
A (a) it is NOT practicable to communicate with any person entitled to
\__t grant entry to the premises
Tb) itis practicable 10 communicate with a ; ..son entitied to grant entry to the
Ad premises but it is NOT practicable to communicate with any person entitled to
grant access to the evidence
Ho entry to the premises will not be granted unless a warrant is produced
(OY the purpose of the search may be fru ated or seriously prejudiced unless a
ind constable arriving at the premises can secure immediate entry to them
Foun THE Aldast OF (Wo VEZIONA IN anecTion Wit
TR EMIDENCE THE Ther UMUE oF CAO CUS STNQLY BELINED “EMT
RELATESTO = wig ALNe M4IZRAL EUDANE 1S loST4inedD
INVESTIGATION IN@ yee
N _WiitHes THE PRendes.
AUTHORISATION It is requested that authorisation be given for the following specified
person(s) to agcompany the come executing the warrant:
Person(s): Laps ay US He EL - Pe UP OFFICE WN Ver
Reasons for request: TO. Fao,ae- Ar FE SE ALCL QIN VIF:
Por SEFICE ARLE (NZUL EP ARTY Fl OFreacn te
The spray years police officer of at leas JH rank of an Inspector,
. or in his absence the senior officer on duty,
JL 2A,
Signature of inform
BEFORE ME:
Warrant issued at wd GI eee. / p.m. .
_aL-court/justice’s home/ justice: aciaplece-
Furtorercrncenn remoe,
PULUUUDZIT TS
Police copy Warrant to search
and enter premises (P.19.
‘ (P.A.C.E. Act 1984
j ss.8&15) (Rev 1/4/91)
iN THE COUNTY OF STAFFORD
COURT OED t4 GIS TRA Ta vp ; Code ( for court use only )
ote 7 JANUARY Doods
INFORMANT DP) OWSOF Rank “DC No. 3-1 )_~
INFORMATION
On this day an application was made on oath / affirmation by the
informant for the issue of a warrant under
(Indicate / )
{A) Section 26 Theft Act 1968
(B) Section 23 Misuse of Drugs Act 1971
(C) Section 3 Obscene Publications Act 1959
and search for
pound WH, oor
DIRECTIONS Authority is hereby given fol
(Indicate /% )
fom
in accordance with the proffidne
a]
D in accordance with the provisions of the Firearms A
to search for and sejzel (D)
1968 to search the premises and every person there
above. and seize and detain any firearm or ammunition.
B) Cc] in accordance withe gtbvi f () in accordance with the provisions of the Police ar
Drugs Act 1971 t Criminal Evidence Act 1984 to search the premis
person therein and seize al and seize and retain articles specified above.
drug and/or relevant docume!
c) in accordance with the provisioN of the Obscene (F) Cl
( Publications Act 1959 to search the premises, stall or
vehicle and seize and remove obscene articles kept
to: publication for gain.
‘mn the case of enquiries linked to the investigation of terrorism, police officers’ should only give warrant number(s) and duty station(s
White original - to be executed, endorsed i GRO — i
: and returned td justices’ clerk. . Signed} NN ened
- for police use, JUSTICE OF THE PEACE
+ for areunier af nramises,
STAFFORDSHIRE POLICE
PREMISES SEARCHED RECORD
Be’
( Police and Criminal Evidence Act 1984)
fore completing see Notes of Guidance.
eee
Form No. P5
(Revised 1/4)‘
1.
s
bd
OFFICERS PRESEN
‘AUTHORITY FOR WAKING SEARCH
ONWARRANT - show Act and Seotion <A 27
Date granted
by LKS..
NOT ON WARRANT - indicate :
{a} statutory power (show Act and Section) OR.
{0} Name of person giving written consent.
consent is recorded
AUTHORISATION - for :
{a) application for Search Warrant OR
(b) search of premises following arrest - given by
OFFICER IN CHARGE: Armed "Ys / No
Ny ane pe.
{Show Name /ank [Satin or Branch and whether or not armed)
De AAD, DOWN EEE. PAA.
ENTRY - forced *Y¥G/No If Yes state reasons
DAMAGE - caused on entry and circumstances
ARRANGEMENTS TO SECURE PREMISES
PERSONS ON PREMISES
(Record names if known)
ARTICLES SEIZED
(a) Either record a list of any articles seized or note where such a listis kept
we ‘ed by Warrant indicate reason(s) selzed:
Misc. Prop. or Custody No.
13,
.I Warrant
.I Police copy of Warrant - Local
I Notice of Powers and Rights -!
I Noted by LIO on (date)...
AFTER SEARCH
Sub-Div.Stn. where search took place (Code}..
informed of search at...
Copy form senton....2.¢
and retumed to issuing Court on
LAL. 7 O23... (Gate) - “Execyed /Unexecuted
Copy Warrént handed toRattet,.A 742), DY Billet
Signature.
19.) Signed (Supenison Otic pppoe BOTCTE IEE
Name, Rank and No! G RO
In terrorism cases, al officers’ names should be replaced by-frelr warrant number and duty stafon.
* Delete as appropriate
‘STAFFORDSHIRE POLICE HO. PRINT UNIT.
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TAFFORDSHIRE POLICE CUSTODY RECORD [CR]{ 3}
Police Station: CANNOCK Detained Person Serial No: 125/3
DIVISION:
son For Arrest
ea
iN THEFT OF #40,202.76 FROM
USETeY Post OFFICE, WITNESS EVIDENCE
omments made by person, if present when facts of arrest Previous Nam@:....4. cece eee en aes
cplained. ¥/N [#] If Yes, comments on log.
ideo Tape Ref. No.:CB/10
TAINED PERSON'S RIGHTS
1 extract froma notice setting out my rights has been
vad to me and I have been given a copy. I have also
ven provided with a written notice setting out my
stitlements wir" ane i
@
A
Oo
ignature:
ate:13/01/03 Time:2
Ef \ ADVICE REQUESTED
e als: ° Age:59 years
want to speak to,2.solicitor..soonanmeschinntian
~ Date of Birth GRO
Place of Birth
Height!
== Arrestda-by?
ignature to
have been infoymed that I may speak to a solicitor Name: ».c, s, pavrson
1 PERSON or ON THE TELEPHONE: Id. No:4003
. Station: Headquarters
ignature: Place of Arrest:
STECHFORD POLICE STATION
do not want to speak to a solicitor at this time. Time Date
. Arrested at 19:21hrs 13/01/03
ignature: . .
. Arrived at Station 21:30hrs 13/01/03
ime Date
asons, given, for not wanting legal advice
Officer In Case:
Id.No:4116
== Name: D.Sgt. R. FIELDS
OT" FICATION OF
a sted Y/N [
atails of nominated person
wpe PERSON
Id.No:1440 :
Nane:Sgt. G. SPROSON See
= FOREIGN NATIONALS
Embassy/Consulate to bi
HG (NJ Yes [ Not Appl. ? i tnformed
Record details in log.
2PROPRIATE ADULT
EN}
tices served, rights & grounds for detention explained
presence of Appropriate Adult/Interpreter. iccienieiiedaiaimieieaiaas
gnature of A/Adult: Comments relevant to an offence
. 5 should be offered for verification
ime: Date: and signature in accordance with
Code C:11.13
gnature of Interpreter:
ak
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TAFFORDSHIRE POLICE {CR} [5]
of
rn
,
SOLICITOR VISITING A DETATINED PERSON
Custody Ref.: 125/3
Detained Person :
I have been requested to attend by the above in the following
capacity:
\
* 1. Own Solicitor
* 2.0 Own Solicitor Representative
* 3. Duty Solicitor
* 4, Duty Solicitor Representative
Name. 0 _ Gmecam Sevan
Company. _ _ _ ¢ CmAreefsS ted _ Shakey LLL
Signature. 0 ow LL LL
Time. Date:
To be completed by the solicitor or representative on arrival at
the Custody Office prior to visiting the client.
* Delete as necessary
STAFFORDSHIRE POLICE
{TION : CANNOCK Detained Person Seri.
Surname I Date of Bi:
Forenames}
Last Review of Detention conducted at:
Detainees Unsolicited Comments to account of arrest:
None.
Date:13/01/03 Time:21:53hrs
When presented to me at the custody office the detainee appe
sober.
and was apparently uninjured.
Detention authorised as being necessary in order to:
> Secure or Preserve evidence relating to an offence for wh
detainee is under arrest
To obtain evidence by questioning
Grounds for detention:
Premises to be searched to recover property
To enable statements to be taken from witnesses
To give an account of his actions
and to be placed in Cell No:4
Detainees unsolicited comments on the decision.to..detain.
None. j G RO
Signed Custody Officer!
nk, No: *
Date Time Details of Action / Occurrence
SEVIS ZArxBO :MEMA.AGE, CESS QITSE ET HAndsosrs
_/_/
aan
a
S/es/e3
aa
S/d Qa m8 S&oo.8 4 ds
$fer/eR RAO :PPR.SRISST TE, SPS medr, AREA _APROE,
/J/ 1, Pess€, SoRe Ge DR SP DA. AEN
FPOLUUVOZOL
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TAFFORDSEIRE POLICE _ ,
ee Cu) [ 8]
&_..ATON : CANNOCK Detained Person Serial No+125/3
Surname j GRO i Date of Birth! GRO i
Forenames {
Last Review of Detention conducted at:
Date Time
a
/
_/_/
Details of Action / Oo
$902.0. 44 Jor
POLOO00620//
STAFFORDSHIRE POLICE DAILY ARRESTS SHEET [CR]{12]
ument Serial No: DAS125 312 Joint Offenders No....:
i Detained Person Serial N
25/3
Surname
Previous Name.
Forenames.
Address.
Telephone. wae
AGG. ..eee beeen eee
Place Of Birth
Occupation
SUSPICION OF THEFT OF $40,202.76 FROM
RUGELEY POST OFFICE, WITNESS EVIDENCE
arresting Officer. .: D.C. S. DAVISON Rank/No: 4003
Station.....s.e.ee + :Headquarters
Place of Arrest. ...:STECHFORD POLICE STATION
crested At........:19:21hrs Date ....13/01/03
cvived At Station.:21:30hrs Date ....13/01/03
officer In Case....:D.Sgt. R. FIELDS Rank/No: 4116
Custody Officer. Sgt. G. SPROSON 1440
BRIEF CASE DETAILS ....--ee eevee eee neers
Crime Complaint No
Miscellaneous Pro]
Checks and actions to be carried out. Indicate N/T for-No Trace.
PNC CRO Disqualified
PNCID Driver Y/N
Signature
PNC Warnings (Details)
Firearms Certificate €
Shotgun Certificate
Warrants
Spin Check west I : G RO
Ny
Police/Court Bail Check
POLUUV0ZO ff
TAFFORDSHIRE POLICE - PROPERTY RECORD [CR][14]
>1° + Station: CANNOCK Detained Person Serial No: 125/3
Iv.f0N: W
atained Persons Surname. -- GRO Title:MR
CASH Write amount in full # p
mo pounds ni pence loo
property description Held by IProperty Description Held by
1. SEALED BAG WMPA 11354284 Police*l 2. SPECTACLES Police*i
3. BAG OF MEDICATION Police*2 & .Tese B.WGS. DEM 3Ee-
Thecked in my presence. The reason for retaining any of the above items is to:
*1 - Prevent physical injury & damage, *2 - Prevent physical injury,
*3 - Prevent damage to property, *4 — Prevent interference with evidence
*5 - Prevent escape, *6 - Detained persons request
*7 - provide evidence. *8 — Non~personal Property
ce
Together with
detainee Signature;
Rank/No:4003
i DEwos
i Rank/No: !
H j Saree .
2CKER NUMBER: \...
BAL NUMBER : QS ARSYE/. 1. elec eene Len eceeelecceccelas
ARIATION / MOVEMENT OF PROPERTY OR CASH.
>. Date Description Item No. Cash Value Balance
q ching Officer::
3& ature :
lustody Officer
Signature :
uy reer Lecce ceeeeeee # #
ig. Detained Person: _— Sig. Witness:
igy:<Detained. Person:......- oe eee eG Wns t—e ~ ~
POL00062577
TAFFORDSHIRE POLICE HOSPITAL VISIT [OR][15}
or “pnt Serial No: DHV 125 315 7
STATION: CANNOCK Detained Person Serial No:125/3
Date of Birth:!
Surname
Ci
Forename
Document printed on Date:13/01/03 at Time:23:15hrs.
REASON FOR HOSPITAL VISIT.
Fectew 9G TEcEPHONES DiScoss,
Date & Time of HOSPITAL Visit: 13/01/03 at Time:23:15hrs.
nded over to Officer (Name): M- Lo AY aa
Handed over to Officer (Sign):
Custody Officers Signature : i GRO
POL00062577
AFFORDSHIRE POLICE [CR}{16]
») INSPECTORS DETENTION REVIEW ENTRY
STATION : CANNOCK Detained Person Serial No:125/3
Date of Births.
Review of Detained Person NOT CHARGED (Inspector or above).
Reminded of entitlement to free legal advice.
Reasons for declining [_Chulhuore buy Clu j
[ j
person / solicitor / other person
repeat ube here puvecle I
J “ave reviewed the continued custody of this person and I:-
. + (a}—de-not—autherd stinued-detention,
* (b) authorise continued detention in order to :-
(i charge the detained person,
cy secure or preserve evidence relating to an offence for
which he is under arrest, or
CG) to obtain such evidence by questioning him
(iv) other - specify
The *Reasons—fexr—release / Grounds for detention are: Susp fhif 40, we
= DP and 2% rp-auund fs be wmilévrectd aud gieu cyyortiily tb give tu
acrunh of lia actin Coys le be mule eth. "Veal offs se _ceypecl of
Lrtststs cxchuuge vabes:
€ ».'s unsolicited comments. [wi].
POSTPONED REVIEW: Time/Date Review Due : 0353
Reasons for postponement: specify _-—
Signed Review Officer: :
Name,Rank,No: sw5? 32u7 heres. bcs.
Time/Date: _f4-(-03. 9350.
*Delete where applicable
POL00062577
(CR}[20}
ST*RION: CANNOCK Detained Persons Serial No:125/3
S same : Date Of
Forename
RECEIVED ALL THE ITEMS OF PROPERTY NUMBERED ;
{1,2,3,4]
ITEMS RETAINED PENDING FURTHER ENQUIRIES NUMBERED :
is
ITEMS PREVIOUSLY DISPOSED NUMBERED :
is) .
ITEMS RETAINED - NOT ALLOWED ON REMAND :
{]
TOGETHER WITH ;!rae-aec-col- ]POUNDS [ ]PENCE
GRO
GRO
S” NATURE:.. ++ (Designation other than detainee)
Police Office
I have received [ } interviewAape(s), ref. no(s) [
being copies of each interview goénducted during my detention.
Signed: .... cece cece eee eee a ewcces dee eee eeeee (detainee)
I do not wish to receive Any copy tapes of interviews conducted during my
detention.
A
(detainee)
I
POL00062577
[CR] [20]
37 “TON: CANNOCK Detained Persons Serial No:125/3
3ux_dme Date Of Birth:
Forename Cell:4
PROPERTY FINALISATIOW
Variation or Movement of Cash
Detention Log cash Transfer Ser No
Serial Number Movement = BALANCE. if applicable)
Yo, Transaction T;
Initial Cash On Detained Person Initial Cash # 000,000.00 # 000,000.00
Property Detention Log Property Transfer Ser No
so. Description Serial Number Category (if Applicable)
b SEALED BAG WMPA 11354284 Retained
2 SPECTACLES Retained
Ea BAG OF MEDICATION Retained
x Two RINGS Retained
POLOQUG2Z90/ /
WEST MIDLANDS POLICE Custody Record we 420
f Reference No 20DC00227/03 C
. - 7 Station Stechford REPRINT Fad
for Mr. a
et
28 scimysnis-tsoe eammanime-amemenanntes S
Right to have someone iifored: a
Aged _
Place of Birth I Rame <<
Nationality ul Address.
Ethnic Ori Fal
Occupat G @
Address I —T 6
Hl GRO Postcode
H Home Telephone a
Work Telephone *
Postcode
Home Telephon cess _ C
Work Telephone ApArepaate Aas (>)
Relationship ~]
Hame 4
Address
Time Date
Lup Arrest 09:50 hrs 13/01/03
Arrival at station 10:10 hrs 13/01/03
Relevant Time 10:10 hrs 13/01/03
Betention Authorised 16:2] hrs 13/01/03 Postcode
Home Telephone
Offence Cell No. SOL Work Telephone
Ol Money Laundering
ue ceganaavice:netal
Officer Detail:
Kame
Professional Status OS
Arresting Officer CIV 22797 SONES: Duty Solicitor Ref.
Company Name CHALLINORS LYON CLARK W'BROM
Arresting Officer's Signature Telephone No
Signed
OIC CIV 22797 JONES
(, Escorting officer Cl¥ 9490 SINGH
Custody Officer PS 8482 ROGERS initial Descriptive Features
petessetpese Beige coat, checked jacket, beige trousers, brown shoes,
Checks” glasses.
Address check [] wap [LJ ora [1]
Detained Vehicte [_] PHC / Phoenix Check [I
ane + ~ cee eee
“ Offfcer opening record PS 8482 ROGERS Printed at 20:57 13/01/03 1
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Reference No 20DC00227/03
Station Stechford ‘ORIGINAL
Authorisation of Detention .
Place of arrest :
Holiday Hypermarket Ford Dunlop
Circumstances of arrest
{01} Philip Hunt customs states - the PIC has been over the last 12 months has deposited approx eight and a half
million pounds worth of Euros at a varierty of Bureau de Change in Birmingham and Staffordshire. He has been
arreasted today on suspicion of laundering the proceeds of crime and we are seeking an explaination of the source and
destination of these funds. PIC is a director of RPX recycled Plastics and the accounts that the PIC has given to
customs and excise do not reflect the turnover that he is depositing in thew bureau de change.
Authorisation of Detention
Kdoyy piodey Apoisny
To obtain evidence by questioning (sec 37-2 )To secure and or preserve evidence (sec 37-2 }
Officer opening record PS 8482 ROGERS Printed at 15:51 13/01/03 2
e)
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WG 426
Reference Xo 20DC00227/03
Station Stechford ORIGINAL
Detention Log
Date Time AN] hand-written entries to be signed by the maker
13/01/03 _I 10:25 hrs I Description of detainee on arrival at the Custody Block Beige coat, checked jacket, beige
trousers, brown shoes, glasses.
Officer Completing: PS 8482 ROGERS
13/02/03 I 10:21 hrs I Arrested on 13/01/03 at 09:50 GMT for Money Laundering by C1¥ 22797 JONES PACE = Y,
Foreign = N, Circumstances of arrest :Philip Hunt customs states - the PIC has been over
the last 12 months has deposited approx eight and a half million pounds worth of Euros at
a_varierty of Bureau de Change in Birmingham and Staffordshire. He has been arreasted
today on suspicion of laundering the proceeds of crime and we are seeking an explaination
of the source and destination of these funds. PIC is a director of RPX recycled Plastics
and the accounts that the PIC has given to customs and excise do not reflect the turnover = j
that he is depositing in thew bureau de change.. No Comments were made by the detained
person.
Officer Completing: PS 8482 ROGERS
13/01/03 {10:21 hrs I Detention Grounds entered on 13/01/03 at 10:21 GMT Grounds To obtain evidence by
questioning (sec 37-2 )To secure and or preserve evidence (sec 37-2 }.
Officer Completing: PS 8482 ROGERS
13/01/03 _I 10:22 hrs_I Detained person was present when the grounds/reasons were recorded on 13/01/03 at 10:21
and was informed. The reasons were To interview and secure evidence.. No comments made by
the detainee
Officer Completing: PS 8482 ROGERS
13/01/03 _I 10:24 brs I On 13/01/03 at 10:22 GMT the prisoner condition was PIC states he
ee Pand is under investigation for
required
Officer Completing: PS 8482 ROGERS.
13/01/03 _I 10:27 hrs
Officer Completing: PS 8482 ROGERS
13/01/03 I 10:29 hrs I Rights were administered on 13/01/03 at 10:29 GHT . A Solicitor was requested by PIC on
13/01/03 _at_10:29 GMT Solicitor CHALLINORS LYON CLARK W'BROM. Intimation was not requested
on 13/01/03 at 10:29 GMT. No Comments were made.
Officer Completing: PS 6482 ROGERS
13/01/03 I 10:29 hrs I Solicitor log entry made on 13/01/03 at 10:29 GT to CHALLINORS LYON CLARK W'BROM, Result
z SOLICITOR REQUESTED BY P.1.C.
Officer Completing: PS 8482 ROGERS
13/01/03 _I 10:30 hrs_I Property Search Carried out on 13/01/03 at 10:29 GMT by CIV 9490 SINGH. Reason : Searched
‘in order to ascertain & record what property the detainee has with them when they
attended the police station or taken from the detainee on arrest, the safekeeping of any
property which is taken from PIC & which remains at the police station.. Cash was
recorded against the search. Property was recorded against the search, refer to Property
Officer opening record
= ee aren remanent Sn
PS 8482 ROGERS Printed at 20:57 13/01/03 1
Adon piovsaw Adoisn»
WEST MIDLANDS POLICE Custody Record we 420
for Mr I
for Mr
Detention Log
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Reference Ko 200C00227/03
anny Station Stechford ORTGIRAL
GRO
Date
Time
All hand-written entries to be signed by the maker
Log for details.
Officer Completing: PS 8482 ROGERS
13/01/63
10:55 hrs
Escorting Officer : CIV 9490 SINGH *
Officer Completing: PS 8482 ROGERS
13/01/03
10:57 brs
PNC Enquiry commenced
Ado’ pioxey ~Apoisn>
Officer Compteting: PS 8482 ROGERS
13/01/03
PNC Enquiry completed
Officer Completing: PS 8482 ROGERS
13/01/03
No exact match on PNC.
Officer Completing: PS 8482 ROGERS
13/01/03
10:59 brs,
Already seized by Mr Jones was a holdal) containing approx 582,000 Euros - not checked as
yet - will be entered in customs and excise detained property.
Officer Completing: PS 8482 ROGERS
13/61/03
11:01 hrs
Allowed to phone wife on
G
Officer Completing: PS 8482 ROGERS
13/01/03
Solicitor log entry made on 13/01/03 at 11:02 GMT to CHALLINORS LYON CLARK W‘BROM, Result
i Joyce spoken to and will get solicitor to cal? back.
Officer Completing: PS 8482 ROGERS
13/01/03
11:08 brs
Detainee allocated to Cel] : SOL
Officer Completing: PS 8482 ROGERS
13/01/03
11:10 brs
Given drink of water.
Officer Completing: PS 8482 ROGERS
13/01/03
Solicitor log entry made on 13/01/03 at 11:32 GMT to CHALLINORS LYON CLARK W'BROM, Result
: MONICA WILL arrange attendance when requested
Officer Completing: PS 8762 DORRINGTON
13/01/03
11:34 hrs
Police Surgeon og entry made on 13/01/03 at 11:34 GNT. The surgeon called was GOPAL,
action : 5 TO EXAM, reason/result : To examine PIC to confirm fit to be detained
interview. Reference Number : 01/50174/03. Response Required : N/A Not
applicable
Officer Completing: PS 8762 DORRINGTON
13/01/03
12:11 brs
Police Surgeon log entry made on 13/01/03 at 12:07 GMT.
The surgeon called was GOPAL, a
action : 6 END EXAM, reason/result : Fit to be di
erview.
1400hrs (After medication) which has been given
Officer opening record PS 8482 ROGERS Printed at 20:57 13/01/03 2
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WEST MIDLANDS POLICE Custody Record we 420
} ee _. Reference Ho 200600227/08 _
for Me [ GRO ; Stat Stechford ORIGINAL
Detention Log
Date Time All hand-written entries to be signed by the maker
given I. at adivee of {GRO; Reference Number ; 01/50174/03. Response Required
N/A Not applicable “7
Officer Completing: PS 8762 DORRINGTON
13/01/03 I 12:16 hrs I Detainee allocated to Celi : M4
Officer Completing: PS 8482 ROGERS
13/01/03 I 12:25 hrs I Solicitor log entry made on 13/01/03 at 12:25 GMT to CHALLINORS LYON CLARK W'BROM, Result
: Mr Sohail phoned and will attend.
kdon nioray Anaacnn
Officer Completing: PS 8482 ROGERS
13/01/03 _I 12:40 hrs I Solicitor log entry made on 13/01/03 at 12:39 GMT to CHALLINORS LYON CLARK W‘BROM, Result
: Sot to attend 1430hrs
Officer Completing: PS 8762 DORRINGTON
13/01/03 I 13:00 hrs I Meal offered and refused Drink offered and refused
Officer Completing: CIV 52832 HOOTON
13/01/03 I 14:08 hrs I Visit in order
Officer Completing: CIV 54048 HALL
33/01/03 I 14:09 hrs I Assumed custody officer duties with PS Rogers, grounds for detention still apply.
Officer Completing: PS 6129 KANE
13/01/03 I 14:22 hrs I Solicitor log entry made on 13/01/03 at 14:22 GMT to CHALLINORS LYON CLARK W'BROM, Result
: Solicitors phoned and ETA now 1500hrs.
Officer Completing: PS 8482 ROGERS
13/01/03 _I 14:26 hrs I Visit, informed PIC that his solicitor is running late.
Officer Completing: CIV 54048 HALL
13/03/03 I 14:53 hrs I Visit in order
Officer Completing: CIV 54048 HALL
13/01/03 I 15:11 hrs I PIC requested a phone cal] _to his wife, Checking with customs officers to see if this is
‘in order.
Officer Completing: Civ 54048 HALL
13/01/03 I 15:32 hrs j Solicitor log entry made 6n 13/01/03 at 15:31 GMT to CHALLINORS LYON CLARK W'BROM, Result
;_Mr Sohail _in attendance.
Officer Completing: CIV 54048 HALL
13/01/03 I 15:35 hrs I Allowed telephone call to : Wife on!
Officer Completing: CIV 54048 HALL
13/01/03 _I 15:37 hrs I Solicitor having consultation with PIC in designated room
Officer opening record PS 8482 ROGERS Printed at 20:57 13/01/03 3
POLOQUG2Z90/ /
‘WEST MIDLANDS POLICE Custody Record wo a20
Reference No 20DC00227/03
Station Stechford ORIGINAL
for Mr
Detention Log
Date Time All hand-written entries to be signed by the maker
Officer Completing: CIV 54048 HALL
13/01/03 I 15:37 hrs I Detainee aliocated to Cell : SOL
Officer Completing: CIV 54048 HALL
13/01/03 I 16:02 hrs j Duty inspector Mr Pettipher aware of review.
Officer Completing: CIV 54048 HALL
13/01/03 I 16:14 hrs [Review was due on 13/01/03 at 16:21 GMT the review time was varied because [Bring
Forward] The Review is being carried out early in order to assist the investigation. and
was carried out on 13/01/03 at 16:13 GMT by INS 7763 PETTIPHER in person . The detained
person was reminded of their rights. Representations were not made by a Police Officer/The
(3 detained person . Continued detention was authorised, reason : In order to obtain evidence
; by Questioning I have Reasonable grounds for believing that detention without being
charged is necessary.. No comments were made by the detainee.
Adon pioxayi Aboisn
Officer Completing: CIV 54048 HALL
13/01/03 I 16:50 hrs I Allowed phone cali to his wife.
Officer Completing: PS 6129 KANE
13/01/03 I 16:52 hrs I To interview room for a taped interview with officers and solicitor (names) :Mr Hunt and
miss HMCE with $01 Sohal
Officer Completing: PS 5835 ROBINSON
13/01/03 I 37:18 hrs_I Detainee allocated to Cell : INT)
Officer Completing: PS 6129 KANE
13/01/03 I 19:25 hrs_I Arrested on 13/01/03 at 19:21 GMT for Theft by PC 2119 HANSFORD PACE = Y, Foreign = Y
Circumstances of arrest :AO states, arrested on behalf of Staffs Police that a substantial
amount _of Euro's was purchased by the PIC at a Post Office in Anson St Rugeley, at a rate
ts of 1.62 Euro's per £1 Sterling the official rate set by the post office should have been
1.4583 Euro's per £1 sterling. Thus obtaining £40,202.76 in the course of the Theft.. No
Comments were made by the detained person.
Officer Completing: PS 6129 KANE
13/01/03 I 19:25 hrs I Detainee arrested on behalf of another force
Officer Completing: PS 6129 KANE
13/01/03 I 19:26 hrs I The correct time of the arrest as per previous entry is 1852hrs.
Officer Completing: PS 6129 KANE
13/01/03 I 19:31 hrs I Interview concluded at : 1834 hrs Now Returned from interview room following a taped
interview. Interviewing officers stated that PACE and the codes of practice were complied
with.PIC denied the offences . further extensive eng req
Officer Completing: PS 5835 ROBINSON
13/01/03 I 19:32 hrs I OC 4003 Davidson from Staffs police is on his way to collect the PIC. The officer can be
contacted on
Officer opening record PS 8482 ROGERS Printed at 20:57 13/01/03 4
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WEST MIDLANDS POLICE Custody Record ws 420
for Mr,
Detention Log
Reference io 20DC00227/03
Station Stechford ORIGINAL
Date Time
All hand-written entries to be signed by the maker
Officer Completing: PS 6129 KANE
13/01/03 I 19:33 hrs
Split Police Bailed on Money Laundering to DCO0241/03 from DC00227/03
Officer Completing: PS 5835 ROBINSON
33701/03 I 19:33 hrs
On 13/01/03 at 19:31 GMT, PO 5835 ROBINSON bailed the detainee to re-appear on 14/04/03 at
10:00 GMT at Stechford. Surety/Security was not taken. Reason for bail: Identified
enquiry,where there is insufficient evidence to charge and it is believed that evidence
will_be forthcoming when the following identified enquiry is made...further eng re
wt
property recovered The detainee was released on 13/01/03 at 19:33 GMT.
Officer Completing: PS 5636 ROBINSON
13/01/03 I 19:46 hrs
Detainee allocated to Cell : SOL
Officer Seapletiogs PS 5835 ROBINSON
23/01/03 I 20:08 hrs
7 1..GRO_}caived was [GRO
:_To examine PIC to confirm
wg GRO, proveure. Reference Number : 01/50244/03.
Response Required : N/A Not applicable
Officer Completing: PS 5835 ROBINSON
13/01/03__I 20:10 hrs
customs officers now have taken away lloyds tsb paying in book
ei
Officer Completing: PS 5835 ROBINSON
13/01/03 I 20:28 hrs
Police Surgeon.log entry made on 13/01/03 at 20:28 GMT. The GRO jcalled was Unknown
Kaniie no, tO
DUTY POLICE} GRO I action : 5 TO EXAM, reason/result : To examine PIC to confirm
be detained / interview. Reference Number : 01/50244/03. Response Required :
Not applicable
Officer Completing: CIV 54048 HALL
13/01/03 I 20:35 hrs
wife has phoned and allowed to speak to pic
Officer Completing: PS 5835 ROBINSON
13/01/03 I 20:45 hrs
called was Unknown
2 Fit to be detained.
L Police Surnennton.entry made on 13/01/03 at 20:42 GMT. The "
7 _GRO Faction : 6 END EXAM reason/result RESULT.
i PIC should I
i Gl Fupon arrival at Cannock. pic HAS HAD HIS MEDICATION earlier at about 13:00..
“Reference umber : 01/50244/03. Response Required : N/A Not applicable
Officer Completing: CIV 54048 HALL
en = 7 = ———
Officer opening record PS 8482 ROGERS Printed at 20:57 13/01/03 5
Adon piovew Apoisn»
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WG 420
Reference io 20DC00227/03
Station Stechford ORIGINAL
You were searched by CIV 9490 SINGH and 21 items of property found. At your request items
on the list marked with * have been returned to you at your own risk by the Custody Officer.
“Is correct.
Appropriate Adult
or Interpreter
‘tem numbers 5, 14, 20, 21
Ado’ piosay Apojsny
or Interpreter
vévich ad I below have been retained by me at my own risk
Signed 7 i Appropriate Adult
OM eeeseee seeee At ceeeeeees :
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Item I Description (Item * kept by you) Item I Description (Item * kept by you)
Ko. No.
1 I £617.50 Cash ll Matches
2 [Foreign Currency 5572 euros 12 [ighter x2
3 Passport i3 AA Other [describe] 2 cigar cutters
4 [AAA Other [describe] 8 lottery tickets 15 AAA Other [describe] 2 betting slips
‘a € [AAA Other [describe] paying in book 16 Misc Papers
7 (heque 17 MobiTe Phone
8 Beit 16 AA Other [describe] HSBC cheque book .
3 [Tie 19 AAA Other [describe] sealed bag containing
Htems 6,7, 16,17 - seal no 11354305,
10 Wristwatch Property Seal Number 111354303
Officer opening record PS 8482 ROGES Printed at 10:55 13/01/03 5
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WEST MIDLANDS POLICE Custody Record we 420
} Reference to 20DC00227/03
~ I 1-7, oe ng Station Stechford ORIGINAL
for Hr_I GRO I *
Item I Description (Item * kept by you) Item I Description (Item * kept by you)
No No,
$* IA AA Other [describe] cirgar in cigar case
14* Handkerchief
20* flasses
Adon diode ADoiIsns
21" Ring x2
qa I\% Qece evs.
Property Seal Number 711354303
Officer opening record PS 8482 ROGERS Printed at 10:55 13,'21/03 2
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Reference No 20DC00227/03
anny Station Stechford ORIGINAL
WEST MIDLANDS POLICE Custody Record we 420
The PIC was told the reason why items of property were withheld
The following items were withheld as they may be;
Valuable
7
Used to cause harm to self or others
8, 11
Withheld for safekeeping
3, 2, 3, 4, 6, 9, 10, 12, 13, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19
The following items were seized as they may be used
as evidence relating to an offence
The reasonable grounds for seizing were;
Ado’y pi0od0y Apoisny
{ , To preserve evidence
u.
6, 7, 16, 17, 18
Officer opening record PS 868Z ROGERS Printed at 10:55 13/01/03
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Reference No 20DC00227/03
wnninniin Station Stechford ORIGINAL
WEST MIDLANDS POLICE Custody Record we 420
for Mr.
jation ahd Movement of Cash or Proper
Apoisn
Time I Date Reason Amount I Cash PIC's signature I New Custody I
or Item I Balance Seal I Officer's I
Wo Officer's - Wo, I H
ne FISTS nS) Ta Signature & No we S ih
ess fog Se 2 GRO ®
: GRO g
Zeis alles ae ig
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4
~ - — eee ann es -
Officer opening record PS 8482 ROGERS Printed at 10:55 13/01/03 4
POLUUUGZ9/ I
_WEST MIDLANDS POLICE Prisoner - Risk Assessment Rad
* Reference No 20DC00227/03
Station Stechford ORIGINAL
for Mr
Suicidal
Mental
Adoy dail
Violent
Escaper
Weapon og
Drugs
Contagious
Aliment
Firearms
Explosives
To be completed by Custody Officer for every prisoner :-
Physical Condition :- 1liness.
Visible or Known Injury
Restraints Used by Police
First Aid Given
(,, I eeeriiaresser
Immigration Issues
No Known Risk
Tick if applicable
Further Information
a Signed—rerers — Dat ee
Officer opening record PS 8482 ROGERS Printed at 10:55 13/01/03 i
West Midlands Police
)
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PIC Number
WG 4200
(amended 3.01)
Person not searched
My signature to confirm that I have not been searched.
PIC Signature
Signed at Time ....
Foreign Nationals Lo .,
t have been informed that I have the right to :
*® communicate at any time with my High
Commission, Embassy or Consulate
« have them told of my whereabouts and of the
grounds for my detention
PIC’s Signature
Signed at Time
Appropriate Adult /
Interpreters
Signature
Signed at Time
Search of Juvenile or Mentally
disordered/handicapped
Juvenile or Mentally disordered/handicapped PIC
prefers intimate search to be done in absence of
appropriate aduit.
I prefer this intimate search to be done in the absence
of an appropriate adult.
PIC’s Signature
won Date...
Signed at Time
i give my consent as appropriate adult to the intimate
search of this person being carried out other than in
my presence.
Appropriate Adult /
interpreter's
Signature
Signed at Time . Daté .
Juvenile or Mentally disordered/handicapped PIC
prefers strip search to be done in absence of
appropriate adult.
I prefer this strip search to be done in the absence of
an appropriate adult.
PIC’s Signature
Signed at Time .....
I give my consent as appropriate adult to the strip
search of this person being carried out other than in
my presence.
Appropriate Adult ee
interpreter's
Signature
Signed at Time ....
Juvenile prefers intimate search to be done in
presence of an Appropriate adult of the opposite
sex who is readily available.
I prefer this intimate search to be done in the presence
of an appropriate adult of the opposite sex.
PIC's Signature
Signed at Time
i giva my consent as appropriate adult te the intimate
search of this person being carried out other than in
my presence. .
Appropriate Adult /
interpreter's
Signature
Signed at Time ......
PIC Variation in Rights
Legal Advice variation
My signature to confirm that I would like / not like
fegal advice at this time.
Signed at Time .......
Appropriate Adult / interpreter / Witness Signature
Signed at Time
My signature to confirm that I would like/not like legal
advice at this time.
Signed at Time ..........
Appropriate Adult / Interpreter / Witness Signature
Signed at Time . Date
Changes to Right to have someone.informed
My signature to say that at this time I want someone
informed / do not want someone informed of my
whereabouts.
PIC’s Signature
Signed at Time ............. Date
My signature to say that at this time I want someone -
informed / do not want someone informed of my
whereabouts.
PIC's Signatute
Signed at Time ...
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POLUUUDZOL I
STAFFORDSHIRE POLICE
Detained Persons Risk Assessment Form Form DRA1
Rev 06/01
e2\:25\3 “
‘GRO?
Surname:
Forenames
MEDICAL
The following questions must be asked of every person coming into police custody
(i) Do you have any illnesses or injury?
(i) Have you seen a doctor or been to a hospital for this illness/injury?
(iil) Are you taking or supposed to be taking any tablets/medication?
(iv) What are they? What are they for? : i
tv) Are you suffering from any mental health problems or Sepression? I H !
(vi) Have you ever tried to harm. yourself? I
(vil) Do you use G RO
Detainee’s Signature
Date. .
A Detained Persons Medical Form will be compieted for any person answering YES to any of the above
questions. Irrespective of the answers above continue with full risk assessment as below.
22Zoc
J Timez...
The above person is considered to be a RISK for one or more of the following reasons:-
MEDICAL H
Medicai Condition.
Mental Condition.
MEDICATION ISSUED
With prisoner
With escort.
Supporting Notes {where applicable)
Escape risk.
Hostage taker.
Suicide/Self-Harm.
Injuries.
Vulnerabl
Force/Restraint used.
cs Spray used...
No known risk.
(NB: Risk Assessment is a continuous process)
if at any stage during the detainee’s custody it is identified that there is any change to this initial risk
assessment, a new risk assessment must be completed. The previous risk assessment must be retained
with the custody record. a
I GRO
A: USPROSOA
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1. dareropnisre sox: NO KNOWN RISK
(PROVIDE DETAILS BELOW)
PRISONER NOT FOR RELEASE f
PERSONAL DETAILS
PNC ID NO:
PRISON NO: OR
SURNAME: / FORENAME(S):
ALIAS(ES):
“ETHNICITY:
SEX: MALE?
ESCORT DETAILS
mOMISTECMEORD POUCES STO
AM .
To] SvarmReoSHine POUCES
TO I
j
: CATEGORIES (TICK AND ATTACH REPORTS WHERE APPROPRIATE)
r SECURITY OTHER
MEDICAL’ CONDITION, VIOLENCE Qo DRUGS/ALCOHOL ISSUES oO
MENTAL CONDITION I CONCEALS WEAPONS [1] SUICIDE/SELF HARM o
MEDICATION issu ESCAPE RISK o INJURIES oO
wit PRISONER) ' HOSTAGE TAKER © VULNERABLE ia
_ WITH ESCORT’ :GRi STALKER/HARASSERE® [1] FORCE/RESTRAINT USED o
SPECIAL NEEDS I RACIAL MOTIVAT CS SPRAY USED oD
" FIRST AID GIVEN SEX OFFENCE FIRST AID GIVEN o
fe ne, OTHER im
NO KNOWN RISK Lx NO KNOWN RISK A
‘TORS USE ONLY
SIGNED ......
NAME (CAPS) ......
SIGNED oo.
NAME (CAPS) .....
CHANDCUPF-REQUEST 1) © I IMMIGRATION DETENTION AUTHORITY, 1]
PRISONER PROPERTY
CODE _I SEAU/SERIAL NO. OUT oN Cas
wer AVASH BSH o o OuTL bin SO
I . 0 of IN €
Do Be
oO oOo
o Oo
ee ee ee I TIME: . de .
Ms SIGNED DATE
“SIGNED eccee DATE
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tM “pproPRIATE sox. NO KNOWN RIS
I PRISONER NOT FOR RELEASE Bi
PERSONAL DETAILS
(PROVIDE DETAILS BELOW)
PRISON NO: OR
SURNAME:
ALIAS(ES):
aed
SEX: MALE: Ai FEMALE: II
ESCORT DETAILS
ROM SVE CHTORS POUCES STU To) SVATTOROSHine& Pouce
p-aM TO
Sie CATEGORIES (TICK AND ATTACH REPORTS WHERE APPROPRIATE)
‘MEDICAL SECURITY OTHER
MEDICAL CONDITION! I VIOLENCE oO DRUGS/ALCOHOL ISSUES oO
MENTAL CONDITION I ! CONCEALS WEAPONS [1] SUICIDE/SELF HARM o
MEDICATION ISSU{ : ESCAPE RISK a INJURIES oO
WITH PRISONER } ‘GRO: HOSTAGE TAKER o VULNERABLE oO ‘
WITH ESCORT I i STALKER/HARASSER’ [} FORCE/RESTRAINT USED oO
SPECIAL NEEDS i RACIAL MOTIVATION oO CS SPRAY USED o
FIRST AID GIVEN Hi SEX OFFENCE = =] FIRST AID GIVEN o
OTHER o
NO KNOWN RISK i. NO KNOWN RISK ra NO KNOWN RISK x
PRISON AND ESCORT CONTRACTORS USE ONLY
SIGNED... . SIGNED ..... coscnmninmmnnnmnnne SIGNED cnn
Ce . NAME(CAPS) ..... «, NAME(CAPS)
PRISONER PROPERTY
CODE SEALISERIAL NO. out IN CASH
war ATWARSH OSH a Oo OUTE GIN SO 4
: Cl Og. IN £ me
o J
fal ay LAST MEAL GIVEN/OFFERED
Qo o- P ¢
wef cme ofp wees omens owen oe ~—F} = TIME: i ie
OPERTY RECEIVED BY ESCORT... a co SIGNED oc nneaeneaeen DATE...
BERTY RECEIVED FROMESCORT . wn SIGNED . DATE).
PER -
ORD OF EVENTS: DATE ‘3.
i FORENAME(S):
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ol -08 INCIDENT REPORT ATTACHED jg]
U___GRO
PRISON NO: I I PNc 10 No: [
TIME I DETAILS NAME (CAPS) I stoneo
pr q fae me
Chinen, G RO
c. DAwe Onusss. .
BAB Boece iw ar Cannes. & sure § PRo$ on}
BREAKFAST LUNCH DINNER
COURT
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GRO
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Date of Birth: I
PERSON EXAMINED - Name:
West Midlands Police OFU 7 STATION iat g
NOTES OF MEDICAL or i a
EXAMINATION OPER WN CASE a
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Person requesting examination: Custody Officer/Detainee/OIC/Complainant (delete as appicebie) I Medical Ref. No:
EXAMINATION: Location chy er UW Date:
z
Consent Given for Examination: Yes} No C) timestat: 91 3S Time Finish: 1A,
Additional Persons Present at Examination: (include OIC if applicable)
INJURY/ILLNESS: Brief History given relevant to examination: I G RO
Ase injuries/symptoms consistent with history given: Yes C2 no
MEDICAL EXAMINERS INSTRUCTIONS:
Fit to be interviewed: Yes C) ni
TO BE COMPLETED BY MEDICAL
IfNO to any of the above: time to be re-assessed: date: By Doctor yes O no O
MEDICATION: Any medication given at time of examination Yes CY no O
Kaes give details:
Instructions to custody officer if applicable: as below (PRINT INSTRUCTIONS CLEARLY )
Date to be , ,
given Time Name of Medication Strength of Tabs/caps I Quantity to be Given Frequency
i instructic whilst ined: i]
Additional instructions whilst detained MA Vie & bu ae BP lo ag me nucle
a I
A, hue aia afl 2h» 7 Ontibaershter ves OQ vo O
BM Mtion carted out by: forint name)
iS 8S to Medical treatment / illness / injury Explained Ye
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WG 420
WEST MIDLANDS POLICE Custody Record
~ Reference Wo 200C00227/03
i Station Stechford ‘ORIGINAL
RIGht (6 Have someoneintormed:
Place of Birth! Name
Nationality” i Z Address
Postcode
Home Telephone
Work Telephone
AbpropHate Adult:
Kdo7y piosey Apojsny>
Relationship
fame
Address
Time Date
rest 09:50 hrs 13/01/03
Arrival at station 10:10 hrs 13/01/03
Relevant Time 10:10 hrs 13/01/03
Detention Authorised 10:21 brs 13/01/03 Postcode
. Home Telephone
Offence Cell Ro. SOL Work Telephone
01 Money Laundering
Beige: Dersils: Legak advice Deta
Kame
Arresting Officer CIV 22797 JONES Professional Status 0S
Duty Solicitor Ref.
Arresting Officer's Signature . Company Name CHALLINORS LYON CLARK W' ROM
Telephone No
Signed gcc . -
OIC CLY 22797 JONES Prisoner Conditi
Escorting Officer C1Y 9490 SINGH
Custody Officer PS 8482 ROGERS
. Initial Descriptive Features
Checks: Beige coat, checked jacket, beige trousers, brown shoes,
glasses.
Address check [[] mip [_] sorts []
Detained Vehicle [I — PNC / Phoenix Check [_]
Officer opening record PS 8482 ROGERS Printed at 15:51 13/03/03 1
Nationality
Ethnic Origin
Occupation Mi
Address
Postcode
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WG 420
Reference No 200C00228/03
Station Stechford
CE Custody Record
ORIGINAL
I Right te saversonieone formed!
Name
Address
Postcode
Home Telephone
Work Telephone
Ado’ piodey Apoisny
Work Telephone Appropriate Adit:
“sassy cccsssee Relationship
Sanimary Of Tines: Rame
Address
Time Date i
terest 09:50 hrs 13/01/03
arrival at station 10:15 hrs 13/01/03
Relevant Time 10:15 hrs 13/01/03
Detention Authorised 10:27 hrs 13/01/03 Postcode
Home Telephone
Offence Cell to. FS Work Telephone
01 Honey Laundering
02 Theft eagenaay alee
: EDITS
Rame
Professional Status
Arresting Officer CIV 23064 HUNT Duty Solicitor Ref.
Company Name
Arresting Officer's Signature Telephone No
Signed AliOnsateN SEDatentions
_.Prisoner Condition _.
LC CIY 23064 HUNT
“scorting Officer CIV 23064 HUNT
Custedy Officer PS 8762 DORRINGTON
Address Check [_] arp [] ort. [_] Initial Descriptive Features
brown sports jacket black trousers shoes yellow shirt
Detained Vehicle [_] PHC / Phoenix Check []
Officer opening record PS 8762 DORRI!
NGTON Printed at 20:52 13/01/03 i
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AEST MIDLANDS POLICE Custody Record ws 20
Reference Ko 20DC00228/03
Station Stechford ORIGINAL
Authorisation of Detention
Place of arrest
Fort shopping Centre
Circumstances of arrest
(01) Phillip HUNT (Customs and Excise) states that the PIC fs the co accused driver I GRO} They have been
observed depositing large deposits of Euro’s at various banks. This year £8.5m has been deposited by the co accused
and transferred to his company bank accounts. The accounts that the co accused has submiited for VAT do not reflect
the sums that have been deposited into the accounts. The PIC has accompanied the co accused on many of the
transactions observed by the officers.
{02}_8Q states, arrested on behalf of Staffs Police that a substantial amount of Euro's was purchased by a co accused
[GRO iat a Post Office in Anson St Rugeley, at a rate of 1.62 Euro's per £1 Sterling the official rate set by
@ post office should have been 1.4583 Euro's per £1 sterling. Thus obtaining £40,202.76 in the course of the Theft.
Yhe PIC is believed to the driver and involved in this offence.
Suthorisation of Detention
To obtain evidence by questioning (sec 37-2 )To secure and or preserve evidence (sec 37-2 }
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Reference ¥o 20DC00228/03
Station Stechford ORIGINAL
Detention Log
Date Time All hand-written entries to be signed by the maker
13/01/03 I 10:18 hrs I Description of detainee on arrival at the Custody Block brown sports jacket black
trousers shoes yellow shirt
Officer Completing: PS 8762 DORRINGTON
13/01/03 I 10:26 hrs I Arrested on 13/01/03 at 09:50 GMT for Money Laundering by CIV 23064 HUNT PACE = Y, Foreign
= N, Circumstances.of.arrest.:Phillip HUNT (Customs and Excise) states that the PIC is the
co accused driver I They have been observed depositing large deposits of Euro's
at various banks. This year £8.5m has been deposited by the co accused and transferred
to his company bank accounts. The accounts that the co accused has submiited for VAT do I.
not reflect the sums that have been deposited into the accounts. The PIC has accompanied
the co accused on many of the transactions observed by the officers.. No Comments were
made by the detained person.
kdoy piosey Apojsn
Officer Completing: PS 8762 DORRINGTON
13/01/03 I 10:27 hrs_I Detention Grounds entered on 13/01/03 at 10:27 GMT Grounds To obtain evidence by
questioning (sec 37-2 )To secure and or preserve evidence (sec 37-2 ).
Officer Completing: PS 8762 DORRINGTON
13/01/03 I 10:27 hrs [Detained person was present when the grounds/reasons were recorded on 13/01/03 at 10:27
and was informed. The reasons were $18 searches and interview. No comments made by the
detainee
Officer Completing: PS 8762 DORRINGTON
13/01/03 I 10:29 hrs I Additional Escorting Officer : CIV 2918 GILLIGAN
Officer Completing: PS 8762 DORRINGTON
13/01/03 I 10:29 hrs I Detainee allocated to Celi : F3 Warning re unsuitable cel? placement, acknowledged and
confirmed
Officer Completing: PS 8762 DORRINGTON
13/01/03 I 10:33 hrs_I On 13/01/03 at_10:31 GMT the prisoner condition was I
ailments. PIC not receiving medication or medical tréwmem:
compliant. Force not used on arrest. No DSH PIC takes I
he is up to date with and will not need until evening today. PIC” wakes no request for Or
which is offered and J consider at this time not necessary.. A doctor was not required
Officer Completing: PS 8762 DORRINGTON
13/01/03 _I 10:34 hrs_I Rights were administered on 13/01/03 at 10:33 GMT . A Solicitor was not requested on
13/01/03 at 10:33 GMT, the reason being no. Intimation was not requested on 13/01/03 at
10:34 GMT. No Comments were made.
Officer Completing: PS 8762 DORRINGTON
13/01/03 I 10:35 hrs_I Property Search Carried out on 13/01/03 at 10:34 GMT by CIV 29318 GILLIGAN, Reason :
Searched in order to ascertain & record what property the detainee might have acquired for
unlawful or harmful purpose while in custody , the safekeeping of any property which is
taken from him & which remains at the police station.. Cash was recorded against the
search. Property was recorded against the search, refer to Property Log for details.
Officer Completing: PS 8762 DORRINGTON
Officer opening record PS 8762 DORRINGTON Printed at 20:52 13/01/03 1
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“WEST MIDLANDS POLICE Custody Record KG 420
Reference No 200C00228/03
- Station Stechford ORIGINAL
Detention Log
Date Time All hand-written entries to be signed by the maker
13/01/03_I 10:43 hrs_I Escorting Officer : CIV 23064 HUNT
Officer Completing: PS 8762 DORRINGTON
13/01/03_I 10:43 hrs _I PNC Enquiry commenced
Officer Completing: PS 8762 DORRINGTON
13/01/03 I 10:44 hrs_I PNC Enquiry completed
Ado’*y) p1i0deW Apoisn>y
Officer Completing: PS 8762 DORRINGTON
13/01/03 _{ 11:42 hrs I Visit in order
Officer Completing: CIV 52832 HOOTON
13/01/03_I 12:53 hrs _I Visit in order
Officer Completing: CIV 52832 HOOTON
13/01/03 I 13:02 hrs _jI Meal offered and refused Drink given and accepted
Officer Completing: CIV 52832 HOOTON
13/01/03} 13:21 hrs I To room 3 with Mr Singh and Mr Jones for interview.
Officer Completing: PS 8482 ROGERS
13/01/03 _} 13:21 brs I Detainee allocated to Cell : INTI
Officer Completing: PS 8482 ROGERS
13/01/03 I 14:09 hrs_I Assumed custody officer duties with PS Rogers, grounds for detention still apply.
Officer Completing: PS 6129 KANE
13/01/03 I 15:04 hrs I Interview concluded at : 1500hrs Now Returned from interview room following a taped
interview. Interviewing officers stated that PACE and the codes of practice were complied
with. no admissions made.
Officer Completing: PS 6129 KANE
13/01/03_I 15:05 hrs I Detainee allocated to Cell : CHAR
Officer Completing: PS 6129 KANE
13/01/03 I 15:09 hrs_I Further eng' s still _to be carried out.
Officer Completing: PS 6129 KANE
13/01/03 I 15:09 hrs_I Detainee allocated to Cell : F3 Warning re unsuitable cell placement, acknowledged and
confirmed
Officer Completing: PS 6129 KANE
13/01/03 I 15:10 hrs j Light and hot drink given.
Officer opening record PS 8762 DORRINGTON Printed at 20:52 13/01/03
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Reference No 20DC00228/03
Station Stechford ORIGINAL
Detention Log
Date Time All hand-written entries to be signed by the maker
Officer Completing: CIV 54048 HALL
13/01/03_I 15:41 brs I Visit in order
Officer Completing: CIV 54048 HALL
13/01/03 I 15:56 hrs_I Visit in order
Officer Completing: CIV 54048 HALL
&do’y pioxsey Apoisiy
13/01/03 I 16:02 hrs I Duty Inspector mr Pettipher aware of review.
Officer Comleting: CIV 54048 HALL
13/01/03 _I 16:19 hrs_I Review was due on 13/01/03 at 16:27 GMT the review time was not varied and was carried out
on 13/01/03 at 16:18 GMT by INS 7763 PETTIPHER in person . The detained person was
reminded of their rights. Representations were not made by a Police Officer/The detained
person . Continued detention was authorised, reason : In order to obtain evidence by
Questioning I have Reasonable grounds for believing that detention without being charged
is necessary.. No comments were made by the detainee.
Officer Completing: CIV 54048 HALL
13/01/03 I 16:27 hrs I Visit, Light given
Officer Completing: CIV 54048 HALL
13/01/03 [16:40 hrs I Visit in order
Officer Completing: CIV 54048 HALL
13/01/03 [16:56 hrs I Visit, PIC offered hot microwave meal and a hot drink, declined meal accepted a hot drink.
PIC requested a phone cal} to his wife at about 17:30 hrs, confirmed with customs officers
that this was in order. Customs said yes.
Officer Completing: CIV 54048 HALL
13/01/03 I 17:27 hrs I Allowed telephone call to: Wife ont
Officer Completing: CIV 54048 HALL
13/01/03 I 17:37 hrs I PIC returned to cell, light given.
Officer Completing: CIV 54048 HALL
13/01/03 I 18:13 hrs { Visit in order
Officer Completing: CI¥ 54048 HALL
13/01/03 I 18:56 hrs I Visit in order
Officer Completing: CIV 54048 HALL
13/01/03 I 19:29 hrs I Arrested on 13/01/03 at 18:56 GHT for Theft by PC 2119 HANSFORD PACE = Y, Foreign = N,
Circumstances of arrest :AO states, arrested on behalf of Staffs Police that a
substantial amount of Euro's was purchased by aco accusedi GRO lat a Post Office in
Anson St Rugeley, at a rate of 1.62 Euro's per £1 Sterling the official rate set by the
Officer opening record PS 8762 DORRINGTON Printed at 20:52 13/01/03
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Reference No 20DC00228/03
Station Stechford ORIGINAL
Detention Log
Date Time All hand-written entries to be signed by the maker
post office should have been 1.4583 Euro's per £1 sterling. Thus obtaining £40,202.76 in
the course of the Theft. The PIC is believed to the driver and involved in this offence. .
No Comments were made by the detained person.
Officer Completing: PS 6129 KANE
13/01/03 _I 19:31 hrs_I DC 4003 Davidson from Staffs police is on his way to collect the PIC. The officer can be
contacted on! GRO I
Officer Completing: PS 6129 KANE
Ado’y p.iodey Apojsny
13/01/03 I 19:37 hrs I Split Police Bailed on Money Laundering to 0C00242/03 from DC00228/03
Officer Completing: PS 5835 ROBINSON
13/01/03 I 19:37 hrs I On 13/01/03 at 19:34 GMT, PO 5835 ROBINSON bailed the detainee to re-appear on 14/04/03 at
10:00 GMT at Stechford. Surety/Security was not taken. Reason for bail: Identified
enquiry,where there is insufficient evidence to charge and it is believed that evidence
will be forthcoming when the following identified enquiry is made..further eng to be made
The detainee was released on 13/01/03 at 19:36 GMT.
Officer Completing: PS 5835 ROBINSON
13/01/03 I 19:41 hrs I Visit in order
Officer Completing: CIV 54048 HALL
GRO
Officer Completing: PS 5835 ROBINSON
43/01/03 I 19:64 hrs I pic allowed to call wifet
Teall made by pic
13/01/03 [19:58 hrs [change odf seal car keys ret to property
Officer Completing: PS 5835 ROBINSON
13/01/03 I 20:02 hrs I pic given hot drink, declinéd food
Officer Completing: PS 5835 ROBINSON
13/01/03 I 20:30 hrs I Detainee allocated to Cell : F3 Warning re unsuitable cell placement, acknowledged and
confirmed
Officer Completing: CIV 54048 HALL
13/01/03 _I 20:30 hrs_I Visit in order
Officer Completing: CIY 54048 HALL
Officer opening record PS 8762 DORRINGTON Printed at 20:52 13/01/03 4
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Soexg C- Lersourt 2 lau 30-00 I
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WEST MIDLANDS POLICE Custody Record We 420
. Reference No 20DC00228/03 QO
-_—; Station Stechford ORIGINAL gus
Time Date Reason Amount I Cash PIC's signature New Custody
or Item I Balance Seal I Officer's
No Officer's No. I Stgnature &
signature & No No. F I
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Officer opening record PS 8762 DORRINGTON Printed at 10:43 13/01/03 4
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‘WEST MIDLANDS POLICE Prisoner - Risk Assessment PRA
Reference No 20DC00228/03
Station Stechford ORIGINAL
Suicidal
Mental
Ado’) 9114
Violent
Escaper
Weapon
Drugs
Contagious
Ailment
Firearms *
Explosives
To be completed by Custody Officer for every prisoner :-
Physical Condition :- Illness.
Visible or known Injury
Restraints Used by Police
First Aid Given
Statker/Harasser
Immigration Issues
flo Known Risk =
Tick if applicable
Further Information
Officer opening re
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* WEST MIDLANDS POLICE Custody Record we 420
Reference No 20DC00228/03
7 Station Stechford ORIGINAL
You were searched by CIY 29318 GILLIGAN and 17 items of property found, At your request ,
items on the list marked with * have been returned to you at your own risk by the Custody Officer.
“jperty and it is correct.
H Appropriate Adult
I! or Interpreter
which are mark (*) in the list below have been retained by me at my own risk
Signed Q i GRO i Appropriate Adult
or Interpreter
Ado’) pioxvey Apojsn’y
on ReS. ON eee eeesecae BE ceceeo eee
Item I Description (Item * kept by you) Item I Description (Item * kept by you)
fio. : Ho.
i I £30.00 Cash 11 Pen
2 Belt 12 Button
3” Wallet 13” Stamp “x3
5 (Cigar 14” Matches
6 Bank Card x4 is Hise Papers
7 (ighter 6 Priving Licence
8 Penknife ~ “iv” flard fs) misc x6
— > ke ayyrce ss
9 Wristwatch a* Kigarettes
10 Bun Glasses Property Seal Number] 129973
Gfficer ‘opening record PS 8762 DORRINGTON Printed at 10:43 13/01/03 1
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WG 420
Reference Xo 20DC00228/03
Station Stechford ORIGINAL
Item I Description (Item * kept by you) Item I Description (Item * kept by you)
No. No.
Ado’ piovey Apoisny
Property Seal Number] 129973
Officer opening record PS 8762 OORRINGTON Printed at 10: 13/01/03
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we 420
WEST MIDLANDS POLICE Custody Record
Reference Ke 20DC00228/03
Station Stechford ORIGINAL
The PIC was told the reason why items of property were withheld
The following items were withheld as they may be;
‘Used té cause harm te self or others
2
Used to damage property
7, 8
Withheld for safekeeping ‘
1, 3, 5, 6, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17.
The following items were seized as they may be used
as evidence relating to an offence .
The reasonable grounds for seizing were;
Ado’) piovdey Apojsny
To preserve evidence
vy
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TAFFORDSHIRE POLICE CUSTODY RECORD [CR] { 3]
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Police Station: CANNOCK Detained Person Serial No: 127/3
DIVISION: CANNOCK DIVISION
sason For Arrest
N CONNECTION WITH THEFT OF #40,202.76
ROM RUGELEY POST OFFICE, WITNESS
VIDENCE
mments made by person, if present when facts of arrest
plained. ¥/N [N] If Yes, comments on log.
ideo Tape Ref. No.:CB/10
ETAINED PERSON'S RIGHTS
extract from a notice setting out my rights has been
ad to me and.Zhawe been.civen a copy. TI have also
‘en provided } fiee setting out my
titlements 4 C R o
ignatureI
ADVICE REQUESTED
3 .2a1s:
want to speak to a solicitor as soon as practicable
ignature:
Height i
Arrested by:
a
BGAL
i
VICE .
have been informef I to a solicitor Name: p.c, a, pine
PERSON ox ON THE! H Id, No:4372
I i i Station: Headquarters
ignature»® Place of Arrest
I G RO STECHFORD POLICE S=ATION
do not want to sm iat this time. Time Date
I Arrested at 18:56hrs 13/01/03
Arrived at Station 21:30hrs 13/01/03
ignaturem x
eres
officer In In Case:
Names De Sgt. R. FIELDS
or ‘ICATION OF NAMED PERSON
a zsted Y/N [¥]
Officer opening Custod:
etails of nominated person Ps Soe eee Record
s ignature:
Id.No:1441.
Name:Sgt.
=m meas = FOREIGN NATIONALS
PPROPRIATE ADULT INTERPRETER Embassy/Consulate to be Informed
7N [N} Y/N [N] Yes [ Not Appl. [ ]
Record details in log.
tices served, rights & grounds for detention explained
1 presence of Appropriate Adult/Interpreter. =
gnature of A/Adult: Comments relevant to an offence
. should be offered for verification
ime: Date: and. sggpature in accordance with
-gnature of Interpreter:
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‘AFFORDSHIRE POLICE - PROPERTY RECORD [CR]{14}
31 2 Station: CANNOCK cect. Detained Person Serial No: 127/3
(Vi. f0N: W I
stained Persons Surname... GRO Title:MR
Forenames. {
CASH Write amount in full $ p
[toed pounds rie pence 0/00
oroperty description Beld by IProperty Description Held by
Policet2
Detainee
L. SEALED BAG WMPA 11354287
3. RING
2. TWO INTERVIEW TAPES
4. CIGARS AND CIGARETTE
Police*1
Detainee
Checked in my presence. The reason for
*1 - Prevent physical injury & damage,
*3 - Prevent damage to property,
*5 - Prevent escape,
*7 - provide evidence.
Together with tS ce
Detainee Signature:
s ching Officer:D.Cc. A. PEYEY
Synature :
Custody Officer 3
Signature :
4
OCKER NUMBER:
ABeve / SS
EAL NUMBER :
ARIATION / MOVEMENT OF PROPERTY OR CAS.
o. Date Description
retaining any of the above items is to:
*2 - Prevent physical injury,
*4 ~ Prevent interference with evidence
*6 - Detained persons request
*8 - Non-personal Property
ake pence
Rank/No:4372
Rank/No:
SY + ete
Item No. Cash Value Balance
. # #
Sig. Witness:
Sig. Witnes
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Form DRAL
STAFFORDSHIRE POLICE Risk: 1 of
-, Detained Persons Risk Assessment Form
Custody Record No: WA/127/3
DOB: Sex: M
MEDICAL
(4) Do you have any illnesses or injury? i
(ii) Have you seen a doctor or been to a hospital for this illness/injury? I
(iii) Are you taking or supposed to be taking any tablets/medication? i i
(iv) What are they? What are they for? ‘GRO!
1
o
(v) Ou suffering from any_
(vi) Have you ever tried:
(vii) Do you use any ille¢ GRO H
Detainee's Signature:....} Time: . 4 2,3,
Lccseues S25... pate: 13:91:93.
h problems or depression? i
A Detained Persons Medical-rorm WilI"bé Gémpleted for any person answering YES to any
of the above questions. Irrespective of the answers above continue with full risk
¢ 3essment as below.
\
The above person is considered to be a RISK for one or more of the following reasons:~-
MEDICAL
Medical Condition
Mental Condition
MEDICATION ISSUED
With Prisoner
With Escort
Special Needs
First Aid Given
No Known Risk
SECURITY
Violent
Conceals Weapons
Escape Risk
Hostage Taker
Stalker/Harasser
Racial Motivation
* Offence
~ Known Risk
OTHER
Drugs/Alcohol Issues
Suicide/Self~-Harm
Injuries
Vulnerable
Force/Restraint Used
cS Spray Used
First Aid Given
Other
No Known Risk Lo I
(NB: Risk Assessment is a continuous process}
Supporting Notes (where applicable)
HAS BEEN SUFFERING FROM DEPRESSION FOR ABOUT 12
MONTHS WORK RELATED.
If at any stage during the detainee's custody it is identified that there is any change
to this initial risk assessment, a new risk assessment must be completed. The previous
risk assep-—-*-- custody record.
ay time: ..2.2.23
H
No: 1440
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CAFFORDSHIRE POLICE [CR] 6]
S.fI0N:CANNOCK I Detained Person Serial No:127/3
Surname
Forenames:
Last Review of Detention conducted at:
Detainees Unsolicited Comments to account of arrest:
None.
Date:13/01/03 Time:22:20hrs
When presented to me at the custody office the detainee appeared
sober.
and was apparently uninjured.
Detention authorised as being necessary in order to:
> Secure or Preserve evidence relating to an offence for which
% detainee is under arrest
w- To obtain evidence by questioning
Grounds for detention:
Premises to be searched to recover property
To enable statements to be taken from witnesses
To give an account of his actions
and to be placed in Cell No:1
Detainees unsolicited comments on the decision to detain.
None.
Signed Custody Office
Date Time Details of Action / Occurrence
(BOBo FP STAWASE. CLS GomSO, SOT A
,PSoan. vs)
Toy SPS Sre BEST. Bees. oP STARR BETES
a -
fes/o& BaBe Sale
yoLrod ai :d>. fake 7 Caw, ‘ren Conner 1M Crcocsse Yuen 60,
2/2 1330 DP. checked aWia.ertec.., GRO I azn. :
1/03 002% TOP. Sue, Wractelice, lon mn. GR OL. Levneeaees
to1/o8 olor Te. sheeted, a, tx. order. I GRO [370
vara ey ae.shattees aw SSO cee.
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TAFFORDSHIRE POLICE () [ 7)
+
. PION: CANNOCK Detained Person Serial No: 127/3
GRO Date of Birth: _
Last Review of Detention conducted at:
Surname
Forenames: i
Date time Details of Action / Occurrence
[4/01/02 ouize ptap. .eherp. .chacverk. bone. GRO E432,
wefeves dete treks; sn VESSEL,
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fs O82 : O0. SCREE TR hal, CRAER,, = AAG Ife, 2 Wie aat aed
_/_/. OB:BS 1. AC. Gili. bas. BRINGS Nig Aceh, MMe teccces
_/_/__ ©9727 1 PO. CHEE LS. AERO =, Maga), LMeQebececcce
II fonda 1.000 ELE MED, 00. PDE. Zr. Makcts
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\FFORDSHIRE POLICE [CR}]{15]
,) INSPECTORS DETENTION REVIEW ENTRY
—
}TATION : CANNOCK Detained Person Serial No:127/3
surname I }
*orenames _GRO _ I I
Review of Detained Person NOT CHARGED (Inspector or above).
Reminded of entitlement to free legal advice.
Reasons for declining [me le mwiuded wher pubes - }
Representations made by detained person / solicitor 7 other person
(__ DP ibe bu une - bee aly eal siya ~ hel mel - Lo tig allored
[ pent KH weal » Mol imformed of peutees.
[
. ave reviewed the continued custody of this person and I:-
* (a)}—do-not—autherise-continued—detention;
* (b) authorise continued detention in order to :-
(i) charge the detained person,
ae) .
(ii)/ secure or preserve evidence relating to an offence for
which he is under arrest, or
to obtain such evidence by questioning him
(iv) other - specify
The *Reasens—for-release / Grounds for detention are: Tf) of £4 wo Lat Bice .
Daud 2e co-awursed be mbowrened! cud gute opytur hits beg & que 4e
cen of ber whore . bys 6 be made with Lab thie 1s cee od frets in
Caarency classe
Q.e2.'s Unsolicited comments. [ wil :
POSTPONED REVIEW: Time/Date Review Due :._9 #20"
Reasons for postponement: specify _—
Signed Review Officer: _;
Name, Rank,No: (WS? 32/7 hes,
Time/Date: ©4270" /y-/-0>
“Delete where applicable
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\FFORDSHIRE POLICE [CR] (20]
s) DETAINEE HANDED TO INTERVIEWING OFFICER
STATION : CANNOCK Detained Person Serial No:127/3
Surname
GRO i Date of Birt
Forenames: i
Document produced on date:14/01/03 at time:13:34hrs.
Date: 14/01/03 Time :(3 35"
Handed to Rank/No:0650 Name:P.C. L. DEANS
for the purpose of interview. «
Interviewing Officer Signature:
fd Where applicable
’
* I consent to being interviewed without the presence of a solicitor
or legal representative.
* I ha inf. and .etidern tang @ role of the appropriate
GRO.
Datetsscsceeeees at\ (es see eeeeeeeeees TAMEt eee eee eee beneeees hrs
The Interview has been completed during which the requirements of
the Police and Criminal Evidence Act 1984 and the Codes of Practice
have been complied with.
~
Custody Officers Signature:
* Delete where necessary
ate tee eons te Te
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‘AFFORDSHIRE POLICE
my INSPECTORS DETENTION REVIEW ENTRY
STATION: CANNOCK
GRO_
{CR}{17]
Detained Person Serial No:127/3
Surname
Fy Date of Birth:
Forenames i
Review of Detained Person NOT CHARGED (Inspector or above).
Reminded of entitlement to free legal advice.
Reasons for declining [_Deciinect iecal PE oese wok i}
[ ]
Representations made by detained person / solicitor. / other person
]
[ Pyons macs . &e, uSt misac 2 Concacec tofe. ]
[ ]
have reviewed the continued custody of this person and I:-
* * (a) do not authorise continued detention,
* @ authorise continued detention in order to :~
(i) charge the detained person,
(ii) secure or preserve evidence relating to an offence for
which he is under arrest, or
(459) to obtain such evidence by questioning him
(iv) other - specify h
The *Reasons—fexr-reiease / Grounds for detention are: The isles sis bbe _
further detancd ww order fr him be be wien Sel In Wetainon
cthe mates (Gr Wurin he hey bee anssctect Enduro Wu, Post Obice
“-a,7P.'s Unsolicited comments. [_ None macte.
POSTPONED REVIEW: Time/Date Reyi Due :
Reasons for postponement:
Signed Review offit GRO i Name, Rank, No: asp. Dot
Time/Date: I potitk 1 OR
*Delete where applicable
iahgee,
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STAFFORDSHIRE POLICE Form TR2 (11/00)
5 TAPE RECORDED INTERVIEW RECORD ~
‘Pink inal offence file - Yellow copy to tape librarian Force] Stn INumberIYearI Ne
te al offence file - x
Wteney, for interviewing officer's instructions to Tape Summariser) Tape Ref. No. I 21 ICB{\2% [O38] (
*CJSU No. to be completed on white copy by CJSU *CJSU No. I 21
Part 1. - Tobe i i
Person Interviewed 4. D.O.B.
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INTERVIEWING OFFICER SHIVNABH SINGH & PETER JONES
INTERVIEWEE i GRO
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OCCUPATION
ADDRESS GRO_
DATE OF INTERVIEW 13.01.03
TIME OF INTERVIEW 13.25
PLACE OF INTERVIEW STECHFORD POLICE STATION
NAME(S) OF OTHER PERSONS
PRESENT
SINGH: This is an interview with! GRO I This interview is being
tape recorded. We are in an interview room at Stechford Police
Station, Birmingham. The date is Monday the 13th of January
2003 and the time is 13.25. After the tape what I shail do is give
you a Notice of er regarding the details of the tape and how you
can get access to it. Right, first of all what I want to do is erm
confirm who is present in the room. I am Shivnabh Singh officer
of Customs. Also present is.
JONES: My name is Peter Michael Jones and I'm also an officer of
Customs and Excise.
And you are sir?
GRO
have to say anything unless you wish to do so but...
JONES: . Does it have to be precise.
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harm your defence if you do not mention when questioned
something which you later rely on in court. Anything you do say
may be given in evidence. Do you undéfstand that caution?
1 GRO I Yeah.
SINGH: Okay sir. Erm can I just confirm that you've had an opportunity
to er to get legal advice if you wanted to.
i Yes.
SINGH: And that er you've been asked this but in this case you've
declined legal advice.
Yes.
Yeah at the moment, but that doesn't mean that later on...
Yeah.
..if you do wish to take er legal advice that you can’t.
Okay.
Weill we'll do that yeah?
Yeah.
Okay. I'm just going to make this disclosure on tape so that you
understand. Erm since January 200:
is known to have visited a number of branches of Thomas Cook
and other foreign exchanges in the Midlands area on a regular
basis. On each occasion he has deposited large sums of Euro
notes in cash. The amounts have been exchanged into Stirling
and credited to the business accounts of I”
have visited a Post Office in Rugeley where he has purchased
large sums of Euro notes which are paid for b
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with a Stirling equivalent in excess of 8% million pounds. The
level of busines:
returns doesn't appear to substantiate the amount of money
passing through the company bank accounts. It is suspected
thatI__GRO
i is involved in laundering the proceeds of crime
and an explanation is sought for the transaction he has
laundering of the proceeds of crime and an explanation is sought
for his actions. Do you understand what I've just said?
Yeah that's fine.
Okay that's the disclosure sir.
Right.
So what I'm going to ask you is er you've confirmed your name,
your date of birth.
Yeah.
Can you now confirm your address for us please.
Okay sir. And what do you do for a I
Er up until January 2002 I was a business manager with Lloyds
TSB. Since then I've been signed off by my doctor!
SINGH: So would you say that you're still technically employed by Lloyds
TSB?
Yes.
Are you still on their books?
Yes.
Do you have a roll number with them at all or a...
A file number?
Yeah.
Yeah yeah.
Payroll number as we call it.
Yeah yeah.
Okay and what's your payroll number?
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do you actually live there with?
My wife and her son.
Okay, and erm do you own a vehicle?
Er yes.
And what's the registration of that vehicle?
Erm phooI GRO I
Okay, and erm is your wife working?
Yes she works for
_And which branch is that at?
GRO
‘Okay. And which branch did you work at?
Er Cannock in Staffordshire.
And are you still, you say that you're on Lloyds TSB books are
you still on their payroll?
No they ceased paying me at the end of November.
November?
2002.
2002. And since November 2002 what have you done in order
to earn a living?
Erm basically er horse betting.
And where would she get the money from to to to...
All I do is I draw in December right I started erm driving iGR OI
around cos he wanted somebody to drive him basically yeah.
And we're talking about December?
2002.
Right.
Yeah.
So this is just...
Yeah just gone yeah.
Okay.
Erm so what I do is I drive him around erm and what we do is we
have er bets on horses and er { take er a percentage of what er
.of.what he.earns or what returns he gets from his horses.
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well as being a director of
does he do for a living?
Well he's a director of GRO yeah. But he hasva flutter on the
horses.
SINGH: And when you say a flutter how often, do you mean on a daily
basis?
Yeah yeah.
So who runs!
then?
Erm phoo weil the only other person that I know in the company
As it sounds?
I think I think it's well I don't know for certain it's I've only met him
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ris he a director?
i don't know.
You don't know.
No.
And presumably! GRO___ have a business
premises somewhere. _
Not that I know of.
So you don't know how big the company is at ail?
{ wouldn't have a clue.
Okay and you've never been invited erm to to go and pick Mr er
GRO bp at his business premises?
No I always pick him up from home in the morning.
Right.
I mean I don't, I think they're basically er his base is his home
_—...and.then you.know.erm_itisnithave_well as faras I know er he _
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everything from home.
SINGH: So what what er apportionment of his time, you say since
December 2002 when you met, is that when you actually met
or have you known
GRO I
for a few years I don't know, it might be 4 or it
might be 7 but you know it's a few years anyway.
SINGH: And under what circumstances did you first meet him?
Erm I first met him when he came to er Lloyds TSB to open a
business account.
SINGH: And are was the business account that he came to open up er
one for himself or for a company?
Erm it was for himself I think I think he was yeah he was just a
sole trader at the time.
Just ag_
Yeah.
And did you do the paperwork for the opening of that company?
Yeah.
You did. And can you tell me the nature of what the business
was about?
At that time er he was dealing in er corporate hospitality.
Corporate hospitality?
Yeah.
Okay, can you just explain a little bit more about that for me?
All what he would do is er for arguments sake I mean I think he
used fo have erm a lease of a box at!
arrange for you know clients to like go there for an afternoons
ou know, he'd lay on the food and the drinks and things
like that, and anything else that anybody wanted you know a
corporate event organising er he would do.
SINGH: And since you've known er Mr “GRO_ “has he always had
this erm sort of er interest or business interest that relates to to
seen ame COMPOraie-er.erm hospitality?
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Well that's I mean that's how I first met him was you know
through this business er but I mean I know since then he's
obviously, he stopped doing the er hospitality side and well er I
think he first went in well cos I know he had achistory of it in the
steel business but then he went back into steel after that
business and then er from then on I think he then set up this
GRO
When did he stop doing the hospitality business?
Well phoo er phoo I'd say probably 3 years ago something like
that. I mean don't quote me.
No no.
I mean it could be er I mean I've I'm not very good with er
memory of time but I mean it could be 3 years, it could be 5
years something like that. But itis a few years ago anyway
okay.
But but the the other side of the background has it always been
to do with racing and betting and...
Humh.
Yeah?
Humh.
It's just for the benefit of the tape.
Yes sorry sorry yes yeah yeah.
it's always been that?
Yeah.
And have you had er well you've already said that you've had a
flutter...
Yeah.
..et with him which means betting on the horses.
Yes.
And you essentially earn your money since leaving work with
Lloyds TSB erm as a sort of a commission on iGROI
You. said you get a percentage of it.
¢
JONES:
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Yes.
What percentage is that?
Phoo erm 20%.
ls that it? A regular percentage?
Yes.
Okay.
Now with this 20% er and it being regular does that give you a
derived income that you can say well this is about on average
how much I earn a week from that.
It would vary erm...
From what to what?
£200 to £600.
Some weeks it's going to be £200 as your 20% commission and
sometimes it's going fo be £600.
Humh.
Okay, so...
Just depends how successful we are obviously doesn't it yeah.
And and when you talk about that then er what about if the if the
bets are not successful would you still be getting your er...
Well no...
..commission...
Weil no I don't.
It's not then the money that's laid on the horse...
No.
. but the money that's derived from the winnings.
Correct.
Okay. And er er some weeks then if you didn't win anything
between you would you just go home empty handed?
Yes.
It isn't t..
Yes yeah.
Okay. And you're prepared to to to...
Yes.
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situation.
Yes.
There's erm lean times and er there's good times then?
Yes.
Okay. And...
How much did you earn as a bank manager?
'Byear.
Erm how recent was that amount?
Er I think er it was about /
Well like I said the last salary payment I received was in the
November.
And how much was that?
Erm I used to earn it used fo about a net! )E
4500. —
Yeah.
The on the gambling side of it is the layout af__
layout?
Er no I have I have flutters, I have a bet meself yes.
I assume then that this the amount that you bet on would come
out of the 20% that that's already...
Well it's coming out of my own money yeah.
Yeah.
That's right yeah.
Okay.
Yes.
I'm now gonna hand you over to er to Mr Jones, he's going to
ask you about the erm the situation regarding i
er that was er told to you on the disclosure and that is that erm
as I understand it and just for the benefit of the tape very quickly
you've only been doing this since December.
Yes.
Of this year.
Well last year isn't it 2002.
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SINGH: Yeah 2002 yes. Erm and you've also been abroad with er’
Yes last week.
Was that the only one and only time that you've been...
Abroad with{G
So you've never driven him abroad before?
No.
And what was the nature of er that trip?
yes.
Erm we went last Wednesday, we stopped Wednesday night in
Paris erm he met er a business colleague over there on the
Thursday morning whose name wa: but I don't know
what his surname would be. Erm who I presume they have
business dealings with er from there I drove Mr
I GRO and this! :
steelworks just north of Paris. Erm after that meeting which
“who was also with us to a large
finished 5 o'clockish something Thursday night erm we then
drove to Lille in France where we stopped overnight in a hotel
there er before returning on the Friday.
Who paid for the trip?
r
ave me some euros as expenses which I use
for petrol.
How much was that?
How much did I spend?
No how much did he give you?
He gave me erm well in total it amounted to $50 euros»
Huhumh. =
I spent er about a 180 euros on er petrol and parking.
Okay.
rm and then the rest of the euros I still have some left in my
‘GRO! car this morning. About a 100 and
briefcase which was i
something I can't remember exactly what that...
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Yeah erm...
In the briefcase.
..with a note of the difference then of what I had spent
personally.
On cigarettes?
On cigarettes and wine.
What were you gonna do with those 100 euros?
I was gonna return them to [GRO]
You was gonna return them te
Yeah.
So effectively erm you put nothing in er and you've got nothing
out of that trip bar the driving.
Yeah.
That's fair to say.
Yes.
You put no money in, you were going to get no money out of it.
No.
You've gone away for 3 days to Paris.
Yeah, 2 nights, 3 days 2 nights.
Three days 2 nights. Did he tell you why you were going?
Erm well only essentially that he's got to go and see this steel
works to discuss them taking some recycled plastic that is
designed or developed that's and that's as much as I would
know.
When you went out there erm you say you met a man called
sorry erm there was a meeting with a man called! i
Yes.
Were you present at that meeting?
No.
What did you do while that meeting was going on?
Er well they were in the hotel foyer er 3 of them were sitting
around one table er talking er while I was er at another part of
the foyer having some coffee and reading the paper.
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Phoo erm I think it was something Opera erm might have been
Millennium Opera something like that.
And that's in Paris is it?
Yes it's on erm Houseman, Boulevard Houseman or something.
It's supposed to be a very famous street but I'd never heard of it
before.
Right okay. So you say you sat in another part of the foyer?
Yeah.
Erm how long did the meeting take?
Erm...
From Thursday...
Thursday.
.morming wasn't it?
Erm well I wasn't there when they started but I think they were
going to arrange to meet him at 10.30 that morning.
Yeah.
And I would say we probably left the hotel 12 o'clock.
So between 10.30 and 12 o'clock you were sitting in there?
Another part of the foyer.
Well no no because I didn't I wasn't there when they first started,
when they started the meeting.
Huhumh.
I just knew that was the time they were meeting him.
Well where were you?
{ was still upstairs in my room. I came down about just before 11
i would have thought.
Huhumh. Made any telephone calls while you were over there?
Erm the only calls I made while I've been over there were to my
wife,
Huhumh.
Er and to er Coral Bookmakers.
To Coral Bookmakers. Did you do that on land line?
Er on my mobile.
_.You've got.a.mobile_VWhat's. your mobile number?
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And how did, oh it's on your mobile yes of course. So we'll
just re-iterate on that then you've gone out on Wednesday and
you've come back on Friday.
Yes.
Erm you've driven 2 people, Mri
Yes.
You've been given 550 euros for petrol. You spent you saya
180 you think on petrol and parking.
Yes.
You have a balance of a 100 euros in your briefcase...
Yeah.
..which was in the car this morning...
Yes.
..which you were going to give back to M!
With a note of my personal expenditure and everything so he
could reconcile out exactly how the 550 euros had been spent.
Well why why didn't you keep the 100 euro?
Cos I got no need for em.
see.
I mean I mean it wasn't like I'm giving you 550 euros, it was like
here's 550 euros for your expenditure and whatever and just give
me a note of what you spent, what...
It's just that I'm beginning to have problems understanding things
with you because obviously you must have had a fairly
responsible job.
Yes.
Which we haven't quite got into the depths of that yet.
No no.
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off ont
Yes.
Erm so you know you've not been working for some time.
Yes.
Fair enough and your salary happens to be in payment in
November, you said was 1500 net.
Yes.
Right okay. Erm I'm just trying to work out how you...
1 go from a responsible job like that to just driving around.
Well you're working on a potential of 20% commission if you win.
Yes.
On horses er but as you said again to Mr Singh if you won
nothing and he'd just let you go out empty handed.
Yes.
JONES: And there you are going off on a what is a fairly lengthy trip I
mean...
Yeah.
.in Paris in Lille driving around...
Humh yes.
. for nothing. Alright the the somebody put you up in a hotel but
you've literally done nothing out of the 2 of you really.
Erm no but I mean you know there's an enjoyment factor there
erj GRO} ad a couple of bets while we were away which I didn’t
know about, vast amounts, probably around about £50 or
something from what we bet on while we were away and that
was about it.
JONES: Yeah. Soi mean so did you ever make anything at all while you
were out there?
What from...
Let's talk about these couple of bets then.
Yeah.
Just for sake of argument.
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So what did you have on it, how much did you bet then?
Phoo...
Yes how much did you bet then while you were away?
Erm on the Wednesday I think the bets were about a £1,000
possibly.
Yeah.
And then on the Thursday and Friday erm!
yi had...
Sorry can I if we just go on did you bet a £1,000? Is that you?
Erm I put the bet on but that was {GRO} betting.
Right, that's what I'm trying to get to the bottom of.
Yes sorry.
{s that your money bets?
No I put I've put the bet on.
Right.
But Paul give me the money.
But not with your money.
Erm well it is ostensibly with my money because like it comes out
of my Coral account. I have a Coral deposit account, yeah?
Now...
Alright mate we're going to have to go into that in a minute then.
Yeah okay.
So...
But the sense of what happens is I
ill say well I want to
have a bet on this horse and I'll put the bet on out of my money
and then er every now and again erm I'll give {ll reconcile what
he's bet, what he's had returns in or whatever and say this is
{GRO Bnd he will then pay me back in
cash to cover his betting.
So you've got a Coral account?
how much you owe me {
Yes.
Whose name's that in?
Mine.
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Right. And how much has that got in it?
Today?
Well yeah alright then today.
Erm about just short of £900 I think.
£900. How much did it have in it last Tuesday?
Oh right erm how much did it have in it last Tuesday I would
think er £2000 possibly.
Right, and where does that £2000 come from?
Er I paid well that £2000 would have been er cash that Mr
ad given me fo cover what he had already owed
me.
So the 2000 in fact is cash fro
this is where...
Yeah.
Yeah, this is
_.l'm losing it with you you see.
Yeah.
Did you say my money and his money? Erm it seems to me it's
c -3 money that we're actually talking about which
you may well go and place for him erm on an account using your
name.
I mean...
But I get I get, please just hear me out...
Yeah sure.
I just get the impression that's what's happening in fact is he's
giving you the money for you to go and place the bets, is that
right?
Well essentially but what actually happens is my account with my
money on when we when he used me to place a bet it will start
off as my account with my money on right, okay?
Well yeah yeah go on,
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Yeah right so erm I place the bets for him out of my money erm
when he loses he obviously because I've paid for it he obviously
owes me money yes?
Fair enough.
Right, so he would then give me money to cover what he owes
me which I then use to put back into my Coral account to cover
the money he's already lent off me. Do you understand that?
SINGH: It gets a bit tricky though doesn’t it? Bear in mind that you say
that you're on 20% commission when it wins. Now if he’s, it gets
so tricky if he’s asked you to go and put a bet on and it loses but
it's been out of your money in the first place.
Yes.
Do you get what I mean? How do you balance ***
Well if you've got me briefcase...
Yeah.
you know if you have a look in there there's a sheet for every
day for alf the bets that he does.
Right.
Okay so you can see what he's been betting.
Right. .
And what he's returned and then what you know what proportion
of that you know.
When did you start this Corals account?
Phoo erm 4 months ago something like that.
Four months ago.
Yeah.
It should take us back. to,Sept
{ I thinie it would be about...
August?
..erm I phoo erm I would think yeah it would be about September
I would think between September...
September 2002.
Yeah.
Now how, not all of us are wonderful betters...
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How did you start this account?
You just phone up.
Yes.
Then you say you want to open an account.
Do you have to give them any money?
Erm well no originally right okay erm originally I opened it up
sorry...
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r ..oh yeah okay, erm opened it up erm and it's erm a debit card
betting account. So basically what happens is you put a bet on,
they take the money out of your bank account and they return
any money fo your bank account. Erm now in December when
iGRO} i mean I¢ SRO; thas always put, phoned me up to put bets on
it for a long time okay, it's not just something that's happened in
December, he's been doing it for you know last 12 months
probably. Erm now in December because he was like starting to
use me a lot more as his like personal bookmaker you can call
me really yeah erm I then changed the account from Coral to er
like a debit account where they take money out, put it back in on
the bank account to a deposit account where by I put money on
deposit with them so there's funds there available for whenever I
or whenever! GRO wanted to have a bet.
Right so how much did you put in then?
How much did I put.
Well following the last little bit that you said, you said that you put
you deposited some money in so that your funds there.
Phoo.
In fact what I'm trying to what I'm getting at the bottom of
Brendan is how much money you've actually put into this.
Through my Coral account?
No just how much money you've actually put into its into this this
betting this side of the work if you like.
. fe tn_L don't think it's quite as clear cut as that really because.
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Well have you put any money into it?
I will have...
Yourself.
..I will have put money.
Yeah well how much?
Have I actually deposited humh weil I well I don't suppose i
probably haven't because when I transferred it over when I
transferred it from a debit account to a deposit account I won
about a £1,000's on that day right and because I didn't want it
going back to the bank account because then it's out of my it's
out of my system for 2 days if you know what I mean cos they
pay it back like today, it do get back to my other bank account for
Wednesday so effectively there's money there which I can't use
so I said can you just hold it open, they said yeah we can
transfer you onto a deposit account whereby you can add money
onto your account or draw money off the account if there's any
there whenever you want but essentially funds will always stay
on that account.
Is it like the equivalent of having erm a facility at a normal bank
whereby you know like an overdraft facility.
Yeah but you're not allowed to overdraw the account.
Right.
Erm but it's just like er you know I just phone them up and say
3.30 at Lingfield can you put me £50's each way on such and
such horse and they say fine, comes out my balance, if the horse
wins or whatever there's a return on it it then goes back onto my
balance.
So so far you've you've said then that a thousand that you think
was one of the day that you converted from your debit card to a
debit account, is that right?
Yeah I think so yeah.
Anything besides that?
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Weill I mean since then erm I have been using erm when I put
bets on for! GRO_hd he's like lost and owed me money for
covering betting.
Huhumh,
i would then you know he would give me money and I would
then keeping topping my current account up.
JONES: So it’s er!
I No cos that's money he owes me. That's money he's owed me
} money?
because I put the bets on for him, the horse has lost so then he
has to pay me, yeah?
SINGH: Would you say would you consider yourself, would it be fair to
say that you're an amateur sort of a...
Gambler.
gambler?
Yeah.
Punter?
Yeah.
Racehorse and punter.
Yes.
Do the dogs as well?
Er I might have one bet on a dog per year.
Have you been doing it for a long time?
Gambling?
Yeah.
Erm yeah I put I mean it's always been an interest of mine,
betting or whatever erm and cert.. over the last year because
I've been working and I've had more time to study form and such
like and joined of er racing tips to organisations er I've been
doing it you know on a lot you know bigger scale.
Huhumh. Has }
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era gambler as well?
SINGH: And do you think that er you did say earlier on that once you first
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SINGH: At Lloyds TSB and what did you do advise him on setting up an
account er his business account?
Yeah well it was just basically erm you know he just wanted to
have a business account.
Since that time...
Yes.
..yeah, have you advised him on er a business erm..
No.
.level?
No.
You know from, any advice given to from what you know in the
business world?
Er...
Banking world.
No not really.
None at all?
No.
He has solely, would it be fair to say that the only reason then is
your knowledge of horses and betting?
Yes.
And not your business acumen from Lloyds TSB business
manager?
I don’t get involved in the business at all. I don’t know what goes
in the business or that, I'm not interested.
So we're gonna ask you one good question then at any meeting
that you've been to, whether it's been here, in this country...
Oh right yes.
..or the U er sorry abroad.
In France yeah.
Yeah, have you been privy to any business meeting per
business activities o'
No.
So the only reason is there might be betting going on?
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Or he needs someone to drive.
Yes.
What, he does drive himself though doesn't he?
Oh he yeah he does but he doesn't enjoy it and I, I mean J just
offered like you know erm cos I enjoy driving, I just don't mind
getting the car and just er tatting about here and there for no
specific reason you know it's just I just enjoy doing it.
Would he pay for any part without driving at all?
No no.
So you really rely on your weeks as er a punter?
Yes and...
To earn your money.
Yes,
Huhumh.
Do you own a bank accou
Yes yeah.
Can you tell me what you've got?
Er I've got a Lloyds TSB current account.
Lloyds TSB current account. {s that in your name?
Yes.
Yeah, and how much has that got in it?
Or not as the case may be.
How much has that not got in it?
It's about
overdrawn.
verdrawn right, any other accounts?
Erm I've got a joint account with my wife at Sainsburys.
Sainsburys, joint account, yeah.
And I would think not that she ever really shows me the balance
er statements on that but I would think the last time I looked
there might have been about a
In credit.
Yeah.
Okay. Er anything else beside all those?
_~-Erm. what do you want to know about my loans or?
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I've got a personal loan with the bank.
Personal loan with Lloyds TSB?
Yeah.
And how much is that?
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Right. Anything else?
Er credit cards.
Huhumh. Who are they with?
Phoo erm Lloyds TSB.
Yeah.
Barclay card.
Yeah.
Erm Morgan Stanway.
Yeah.
Er Marbles.
Huhumh.
ts that HFC Bank, I think it'll be HFC.
I've heard of it.
Yeah.
Marbles yeah.
Er erm, oh sorry.
J} that you owe or a loan of;
Try not to worry, try not to if you can help it.
I think I've got another one but I can't think of the name.
Any Building Society accounts?
No.
Any morigage at all?
Er yes.
Whose is that, in your name or?
It's in the wife's name.
Mortgage in the wife's name is it, yeah.
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What's your wife's name?
Er the only reason why ‘the house i is i
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bought the house er while was) Gi RO 4
Huhumh.
So we wanted to keep it separate from er! mean it's been when
we @ bought the house about 6 years ago.
‘So really then you've er you haven't got much in money
have you?
No.
How do you survive?
How do I survive? Erm well my phoo what are my outgoings, me
outgoings are, the wife pays for all the household bills er pays
the mortgage erm the only outgoings er I have er cover my debts
and going out.
Are you extremely lucky or or you know because what I'm trying
to sayis...
I don't think I'm lucky sitting here at the moment no but...
What I'm trying to say to you is that...
Yeah.
.. doesn't your wife turn round to you and say eh come on I'm
doing my share what about you, I know you haven't got any
outgoings but doesn't she ever say to you you know?
No.
Cover your wedge.
Money's never been a motivating factor for me.
Huhumh.
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You know I don't let it worry me er perhaps I should do I don’t
know but you know it doesn't worry me so erm what money
we've got we spend.
Humh. Well let's talk about the events of this morning, I know
we're coming towards the end of tape one, we'll change over for
the second tape in a moment right.
Yeah.
Erm you realise what happened this morning obviously...
Yes.
you were arrested this morning...
Yes.
and the person arresting you I'm sure told you that you were
arrested on suspicion of money laundering.
Yes.
I better ask you first, do you understand what you mean by that
what it means by money laundering?
Weill I think I do.
Right could you tell me what you think it is?
Erm it's basically I think it's money er derived from er a criminal
activity er which I think do they normally like sell it off at a
discounted rate to somebody else to dispose off, I don't know. I
mean that would be my general understanding of it.
That's your general understanding of it.
Yeah well I think yeah. ' don't think I'm a million miles away
there.
Huhumh. And presumably do you appreciate that it's a criminal
offence?
i do yes.
Right okay then. So there you were this morning standing
beside a silver BMW in Fort Duniop car park.
Yes.
Right. Let's take it in very very simple essentials shall we.
Number one whose car were you standing beside?
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Yes.
Now the 64,000 dollar question, what were you doing there?
Humh.
..to er the holiday hypermarket there and then I was going to go
and take him!
Oxford. .
Right. What was going to happen at the holiday hypermarket?
Well presumably he was going to take some euros in there which
ind his wife down to their daughters near
1 think converted into Stirling.
Right, how do you know he was going to take some euros in
there?
Erm because I know that or from what he has told me that he
collects euro.. he buys euros at the Post Office in Rugeley and
then takes them to a Travel Agents to sell them at a, he can, he
says he can make a turn on the rate between what he buys at
and what he sells at.
JONES: Huhumh. So in in the event of this morning then what did you or
what did you think was gonna happen? I mean i'm just trying to
take it down into very very simple...
Yeah yeah okay.
So you're there, you're in the car park...
Alli dois I...
..have you driven him there so.
Yeah I drive him there, he gets out the car, goes in, comes out.
He got out the car and he went to the boot, this is where I
arrived, he takes out this big black holdall.
Yes yeah.
Right. So what did you think was in that holdall?
Well I presume there were euros in there.
You presume them are euros in there.
Yeah.
. Have you ever seen that holdall before?
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he uses the same one all the time.
Had you seen that previously this morning?
No.
Right erm we'll come back to, go backwards through the morning
in a moment. So you presume that bag had got euros in. Right,
and what did you think he was going to do with the euros?
I just presumed he was going to take them into the holiday
company and er exchange them for Stirling.
Huhumh. Right, weil that's what you understood.
Yes.
And in respect of today had he mentioned anything to you today
about what the business was for today?
Well after he'd done that?
No no well no just generally.
Well no he just said we're gonna go to the erm he wanted to go
to the holiday hypermarket first and then we would then be
driving down to Oxford to take erm his wife down to his
daughters. From there I think erm he hadn't got the rest of the
day exactly planned but he was talking about going over to
Swindon and Lamboume er fo have a look at a stable in
Lambourne because he had done some business there. I think
with thi i
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ar today?
Erm well whenever I drive for him I always drive
how do you come to be
driving!
Right. Can you tell me how you come to pick it up then.
Er I drive round to his house in my car.
That's your car?
Yes.
And what have you got?
i've got a Ford Focus.
Right. So what time did you do that this morning then?
L. -Erl.gotthere about 9 o'clock.
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Huhumh. Do you ring him before you come?
No.
No does he ring you before you come?
Erm occasionally he might phone up and say you know if I've like
arranged to meet him at 9 o'clock or 9.15 or whatever sometimes
he might phone up and say make it half past 9 I'm running a bit
late.
Did he ring in this morning at all?
No.
Okay, so you did you why at that particular time did he turn up?
Erm he phoned me er either Saturday, Sunday was it, I think it
was Saturday he phoned me up and said er that if'd be 9 o'clock
on Monday.
JONES: So in fact he had phoned you on Saturday and said 9 o'clock.
He'd pre-arranged the time.
Oh yes sorry I thought you were on about had he phoned me
this moming no.
Yeah right...
3 Yeah yeah.
JONES: ..well in fact you've now told me anyway, he rang you Saturday
and...
Yeah yeah.
and asked you to come round at 9 o'clock.
Yes.
So you drive around in your red car erm does your partner drive?
Yes.
Okay. Do you go in the house?
No.
So what happens then?
I get into his car.
Right.
Er wait for him.
Have you got the keys for his car?
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Yeah.
..he'll come out, give me the keys.
He comes out, gives you the keys.
i get in the car.
Right.
Erm and then he'll generally might go back in the house or
whatever and then comes out, a few minutes later he gets in the
car and away we go.
Right. This morning did that same thing happen?
Yes.
Yeah.
The only difference like today was that his wife accompanied us.
Normally it wouldn't be.
Who was the lady who was on the back seat.
Yes.
Right. When he gave you the keys erm did he bring anything out
to the car?
Erm he brought a box that he put on the front seat.
Huhumh.
Erm and that was ail I saw I think.
You saw nothing else in the car?
No.
Whilst you were there on the...
No.
..or since you drove off.
Yeah that's all I did basically.
Okay. And then he came back to the car and er well he arid the
lady joined you.
Yes.
Er...
(Buzzer on tape goes off).
That noise by the way just shows that we're coming towards the
end of the tape.
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Yeah.
And did he say anything to you at ail about what he was going to
be doing first?
Erm he said er just head towards Birmingham.
Yeah.
Er and er he said er I think he was waiting on a phone call from
somewhere to see where he might go and change his euros.
JONES: Right okay. Well I think since it's 44 and the time is 10 past 2 .
That's ail I intend to ask you. {ll ask Mr Singh if he'd like to tum
the tape off.
SINGH: Yeah. Tape 7 being terminated now.
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INTERVIEWING OFFICER SHIVNABH SINGH & PETER JONES
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DATE OF INTERVIEW 13.01.03
TIME OF INTERVIEW 13.25
PLACE OF INTERVIEW STECHFORD POLICE STATION
NAME(S) OF OTHER PERSONS
PRESENT
SINGH: This is an interview with This interview is being
tape recorded. We are in an interview room at Stechford Police
Station, Birmingham. The date is Monday the 13th of January
2003 and the time is 13.25. After the tape what I shall do is give
you a Notice of er regarding the details of the tape and how you
can get access to it. Right, first of all what I want to do is erm
confirm who is present in the room. I am Shivnabh Singh officer
of Customs. Also present is.
JONES: My name is Peter Michael Jones and I'm also an officer of
Customs and Excise.
And you are sir?
have to say anything unless you wish to do so but...
JONES:
Does it have to be precise.
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harm your defence if you do not mention when questioned
something which you later rely on in court. Anything you do say
may be given in evidence. Do you understand that caution?
Yeah.
Okay sir. Erm can I just confirm that you've had an opportunity
to er to get legal advice if you wanted to.
Yes.
SINGH: And that er you've been asked this but in this case you've
declined legal advice.
Yes.
Yeah at the moment, but that doesn't mean that iater on...
Yeah.
if you do wish to take er legal advice that you can't.
Okay.
We'll we'll do that yeah?
Yeah.
Okay. I'm just going to make this disclosure on tape so that you
understand. Erm since January 2002 !
is known to have visited a number of branches of Thomas Cook
and other foreign exchanges in the Midlands area on a regular
basis. On each occasion he has deposited large sums of Euro
notes in cash. The amounts have been exchanged into Stirling
and credited to the business accounts of i
company of which!”
has been observed to dri
is known to
have visited a Post Office in Rugeley where he has purchased
large sums of Euro notes which are paid for by presentation of
cheques drawn on the business accounts of [ ]
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with a Stirling equivalent in excess of 8% million pounds. The
declare on VAT
returns doesn't appear to substantiate the amount of money
level of business
passing through the company bank accounts.. It is suspected
that!
and an explanation is sought for the transaction he has
is involved in laundering the proceeds of crime
conducted. It is suspected that: Ns also involved in the
laundering of the proceeds of crime and an explanation is sought
for his actions. Do you understand what I've just said?
Yeah that's fine.
Okay that's the disclosure sir.
Right
So what {'m going to ask you is er you've confirmed your name,
your date of birth.
Yeah.
Can you now confirm your address for us please.
GRO
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And what do you do for a living?
Er up until January 2002 I was a business manager with Lloyds
TSB. Since then I've been
So would you say that you're still technically employed by Lloyds
TSB?
Yes.
Are you still on their books?
Yes.
Do you have a roll number with them at all or a...
A file number?
Yeah.
Yeah yeah.
Payroll number as we call it
Yeah yeah.
Okay and what's your payroll number?
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do you actually live there with?
My wife and her son.
Okay, and erm do you own a vehicle?
Er yes.
And what's the registration of that vehicle?
And which branch is that at?
Okay. And which branch did you work at?
Er Cannock in Staffordshire.
And are you still, you say that you're on Lloyds TSB books are
you still on their payroll?
No they ceased paying me at the end of November.
November?
2002.
2002. And since November 2002 what have you done in order
to earn a living?
Erm basically er horse betting.
And where would she get the money from to te to...
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around cos he wanted somebody to drive him basically yeah.
And we're talking about December?
2002.
Right.
Yeah.
So this is just...
Yeah just gone yeah.
Okay.
Erm so what I do is I drive him around erm and what we do is we
have er bets on horses and er I take er a percentage of what er
of what he.earns.or what returns he gets from_his horses,
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does he do for a living?
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horses.
SINGH: And when you say a flutter how often, do you mean on a daily
basis?
Yeah yeah.
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then?
Erm phoo well the only other person that I know in the company
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who...
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You don't know.
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premises somewhere.
Not that I know of.
So you don't know how big the company is at all?
I wouldn't have a clue.
Okay and you've never been invited erm to to go and pick Mr er
up at his business premises?
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Right.
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Se what what er apportionment of his time, you say since
December 2002 when you met, is that when you actually met
or have you known 7”
I for a few years I don't know, it might be 4 or it
might be 7 but you know it's a few years anyway.
And under what circumstances did you first meet him?
Erm I first met him when he came to er Lloyds TSB to open a
business account.
And are was the business account that he came fo open up er
one for himself or for a company?
Erm it was for himself I think I think he was yeah he was just a
sole trader at the time.
Just as
Yeah.
And did you do the paperwork for the opening of that company?
Yeah.
You did. And can you tell me the nature of what the business
was about?
At that time er he was dealing in er corporate hospitality.
Corporate hospitality?
Yeah.
Okay, can you just explain a little bit more about that for me?
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racing you know, he'd lay on the food and the drinks and things
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corporate event organising er he would do.
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through this business er but I mean I know since then he's
obviously, he stopped doing the er hospitality side and well er I
think he first went in well cos I know he had a history of it in the
steel business but then he went back into steel after that
business and then er from then on I think he then set up this
When did he stop doing the hospitality business?
Weil phoo er phoo i'd say probably 3 years ago something like
that. I mean don't quote me.
JONES: No no.
GRO 1 I mean it could be er I mean I've I'm not very good with er
memory of time but I mean it could be 3 years, it could be 5
years something like that. But itis a few years ago anyway
okay.
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to do with racing and betting and...
Humh.
Yeah?
Humh.
It's just for the benefit of the tape.
Yes sorry sorry yes yeah yeah.
{t's always been that?
Yeah.
And have you had er well you've already said that you've had a
flutter...
Yeah.
..et with him which means betting on the horses.
Yes.
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What percentage is that?
Phoo erm 20%.
Is that it? A regular percentage?
Yes.
Okay.
Now with this 20% er and it being regular does that give you a
derived income that you can say well this is about on average
how much I earn a week from that.
It would vary erm...
From what to what?
£200 to £600.
Some weeks it's going to be £200 as your 20% commission and
sometimes it's going to be £600.
Humh.
Okay, so...
Just depends how successful we are obviously doesn't it yeah.
And and when you talk about that then er what about if the if the
bets are not successful would you still be getting your er...
Well no...
commission...
Well no I don't.
It's not then the money that's laid on the horse...
No.
..but the money that's derived from the winnings.
Correct.
Okay. And er er some weeks then if you didn’t win anything
between you would you just go home empty handed?
Yes.
it isn’t it...
Yes yeah.
Okay. And you're prepared to to to...
Yes.
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situation.
Yes.
There's erm lean times and er there's good times then?
Yes.
Okay. And...
How much did you earn as a bank manager?
Er think er it was about GRO Ia year.
Erm how recent was that amount?
Well like I said the last salary payment I received was in the
November.
And how much was that?
used to earn it used to about a net ya month.
Yeah.
The on the gambling side of it is the layout all ;
layout?
Er no I have [ have flutters, I have a bet meself yes.
I assume then that this the amount that you bet on would come
out of the 20% that that's already...
Well it's coming out of my own money yeah.
Yeah.
That's right yeah.
Okay.
Yes.
I'm now gonna hand you over to er to Mr Jones, he’s going to
er that was er told to you on the disclosure and that is that erm
as I understand it and just for the benefit of the tape very quickly
you've only been doing this since December.
Yes.
Of this year.
Well last year isn't it 2002.
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Yeah 2002 yes. Erm and you've also been abroad with er!
Yes last week.
Was that the only one and only time that you've been...
Abroad with yes.
So you've never driven him abroad before?
No.
And what was the nature of er that trip?
Erm we went last Wednesday, we stopped Wednesday night in
Paris erm he met er a business colleague over there on the
Thursday morning whose name was!" GRO _ [but I don't know
ho was also with us to a large
steelworks just north of Paris. Erm after that meeting which
finished 5 o'clockish something Thursday night erm we then
drove to Lille in France where we stopped overnight in a hotel
there er before returning on the Friday.
Who paid for the trip?
for petrol.
How much was that?
How much did I spend?
No how much did he give you?
He gave me erm well in total it amounted to 550 euros.
Huhumh.
I spent er about a 180 euros on er petrol and parking.
Okay.
Erm and then the rest of the euros I still have some left in my
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Yeah erm...
In the briefcase.
..with a note of the difference then of what I had spent
personally.
On cigarettes?
On cigarettes and wine.
What were you gonna do with those 100 euros?
I was gonna return them td.
You was gonna return them
Yeah.
So effectively erm you put nothing in er and you've got nothing
out of that trip bar the driving.
Yeah.
That's fair to say.
Yes.
You put no money in, you were going to get no money out of it.
No.
You've gone away for 3 days to Paris.
Yeah, 2 nights, 3 days 2 nights.
Three days 2 nights. Did he tell you why you were going?
Erm well only essentially that he’s got to go and see this steel
works to discuss them taking some recycled plastic that is
designed or developed that's and that's as much as I would
know.
When you went out there erm you say you met a man cailed
sorry erm there was a meeting with a man calle
Yes.
Were you present at that meeting?
No.
What did you do while that meeting was going on?
Er well they were in the hotel foyer er 3 of them were sitting
around one table er talking er while I was er at another part of
the foyer having some coffee and reading the paper.
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Phoo erm I think it was something Opera erm might have been
Millennium Opera something like that.
And that's in Paris is it?
Yes it's on erm Houseman, Boulevard Houseman or something.
It's supposed to be a very famous street but I'd never heard of it
before.
Right okay. So you say you sat in another part of the foyer?
Yeah.
Erm how long did the meeting take?
Erm...
From Thursday...
Thursday.
.. morning wasn't it?
Erm well I wasn't there when they started but I think they were
going to arrange to meet him at 10.30 that morning.
Yeah.
And I would say we probably left the hotel 12 o'clock.
So between 10.30 and 12 o'clock you were sitting in there?
Another part of the foyer.
Well no no because I didn't I wasn't there when they first started,
when they started the meeting.
Huhumh.
i just knew that was the time they were meeting him.
Well where were you?
I was still upstairs in my room. I came down about just before 11
I would have thought.
Huhumh. Made any telephone calls while you were over there?
Erm the only calls I made while I've been over there were to my
wife.
Huhumh,.
Er and to er Coral Bookmakers.
To Coral Bookmakers. Did you do that on land line?
Er on my mobile.
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And how did, oh it's on your mobile yes of course. So we'll
just re-iterate on that then you've gone out on Wednesday and
you've come back on Friday.
Yes.
Erm you've driven 2 people, M
Yes.
You've been given 550 euros for petrol. You spent you say a
480 you think on petrol and parking.
Yes.
You have a balance of a 100 euros in your briefcase...
Yeah.
which was in the car this morning...
Yes.
..which you were going to give back to Mr {
With a note of my personal expenditure and everything so he
could reconcile out exactly how the 550 euros had been spent.
Weil why why didn't you keep the 100 euro?
Cos I got no need for em.
i see.
i mean I mean it wasn't like I'm giving you 550 euros, it was like
here's 550 euros for your expenditure and whatever and just give
me a note of what you spent, what...
JONES: it's just that I'm beginning to have problems understanding things
with you because obviously you must have had a fairly
responsible job.
Yes.
Which we haven't quite got into the depths of that yet.
No no,
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off on stress.
Yes.
Emm so you know you've not been working for some time.
Yes.
Fair enough and your salary happens to be in payment in
November, you said was iGROI et.
Yes.
Right okay. Erm I'm just trying to work out how you...
I go from a responsible job like that to just driving around.
Well you're working on a potential of 20% commission if you win.
Yes.
On horses er but as you said again to Mr Singh if you won
nothing and he'd just let you go out empty handed.
Yes.
And there you are going off on a what is a fairly lengthy trip I
mean...
Yeah.
.in Paris in Lille driving around...
Hurmh yes.
.for nothing. Alright the the somebody put you up in a hotel but
you've literally done nothing out of the 2 of you really.
Erm no but I mean you know there's an enjoyment factor there
em iGROhad a couple of bets while we were away which I didn't
know about, vast amounts, probably around about £50 or
something from what we bet on while we were away and that
was about it.
Yeah. So I mean so did you ever make anything at all while you
were out there?
What from...
Let's talk about these couple of bets then.
Yeah.
Just for sake of argument.
Yeah...
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So what did you have on it, how much did you bet then?
Phoo...
Yes how much did you bet then while you were away?
Erm on the Wednesday I think the bets were about a £1,000
possibly.
Yeah.
And then on the Thursday and Friday erm [GRO had...
Sorry can I if we just go on did you bet a £1,000? Is that you?
Erm I put the bet on but that was {ero} betting.
Right, that's what I'm trying to get fo the bottom of.
Yes sorry.
is that your money bets?
No I put I've put the bet on.
Right.
But Paul give me the money.
But not with your money.
Erm well it is ostensibly with my money because like it comes out
of my Coral account. I have a Coral deposit account, yeah?
Now...
Alright mate we're going to have to go into that in a minute then.
Yeah okay.
So...
But the sense of what happens i:
will say well I want to
have a bet on this horse and I'll put the bet on out of my money
and then er every now and again erm I'll give I'll reconcile what
he's bet, what he's had returns in or whatever and say this is
how much you owe m:
ind he will then pay me back in
cash to cover his betting.
So you've got a Coral account?
Yes.
Whose name's that in?
Mine.
That's
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Yeah.
Right. And how much has that got in it?
Today?
Well yeah alright then today.
Erm about just short of £900 I think.
£900. How much did it have in it last Tuesday?
Oh right erm how much did it have in it last Tuesday I would
think er £2000 possibly.
Right, and where does that £2000 come from?
Er I paid well that £2000 would have been er cash that Mr
i; ad given me to cover what he had already owed
me.
So the 2000 in fact is cash from
this is where...
Yeah.
..’m losing it with you you see.
Yeah.
Did you say my money and his money? Erm it seems to me it's
Yeah, this is
money that we're actually talking about which
you may well go and place for him erm on an account using your
name.
I mean...
But I get I get, please just hear me out...
Yeah sure.
I just get the impression that's what's happening in fact is he's
giving you the money for you to go and place the bets, is that
right?
Well essentially but what actually happens is my account with my
money on when we when he used me to place a bet it will start
off as my account with my rnoney on right, okay?
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Yeah right so erm I place the bets for him out of my money erm
when he loses he obviously because I've paid for it he obviously
owes me money yes?
Fair enough.
Right, so he would then give me money to cover what he owes
me which I then use to put back into my Coral account to cover
the money he's already lent off me. Do you understand that?
SINGH: it gets a bit tricky though doesn't it? Bear in mind that you say
that you're on 20% commission when it wins. Now if he's, it gets
so tricky if he's asked you to go and put a bet on and it loses but
it's been out of your money in the first place.
Yes.
Do you get what I mean? How do you balance ***
Weil if you've got me briefcase...
Yeah.
you know if you have a look in there there’s a sheet for every
day for all the bets that he does.
Right.
Okay so you can see what he's been betting.
Right.
And what he's returned and then what you know what proportion
of that you know.
When did you start this Corals account?
Phoo erm 4 months ago something like that.
Four months ago.
Yeah.
It should take us back to September.
I think it would be about...
August?
..erm I phoo erm I would think yeah it would be about September
I would think between September...
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No.
How did you start this account?
You just phone up.
Yes.
Then you say you want to open an account.
Do you have to give them any money?
Erm well no originally right okay erm originally { opened it up
sorry...
,.oh yeah okay, erm opened it up erm and it's erm a debit card
betting account. So basically what happens is you put a bet on,
they take the money out of your bank account and they return
any money to your bank account. Erm now in December when
has always put, phoned me up to put bets on
it for a long time okay, it's not just something that's happened in
December, he's been doing it for you know last 12 months
probably. Erm now in December because he was like starting to
use me a lot more as his like personal bookmaker you can call
me really yeah erm I then changed the account frorn Coral to er
like a debit account where they take money out, put it back in on
the bank account to a deposit account where by I put money on
deposit with them so there's funds there available for whenever I
wanted to have a bet.
or whenevel.
Right so how much did you put in then?
How much did I put.
Well following the last little bit that you said, you said that you put
you deposited some money in so that your funds there.
Phoo.
In fact what I'm trying to what I'm getting at the bottom of
Brendan is how much money you've actually put into this.
Through my Coral account?
No just how much money you've actually put into its into this this
betting this side of the work if you like.
Erm I don't think it's quite as clear cut as that really because
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Well have you put any money into it?
I will have...
Yourself.
.. will have put money.
Yeah well how much?
Have I actually deposited humh well I well I don't suppose I
probably haven't because when I transferred it over when I
transferred it from a debit account to a deposit account I won
about a £1,000's on that day right and because I didn't want it
going back to the bank account because then it's out of my it's
out of my system for 2 days if you know what I mean cos they
pay it back like today, it do get back to my other bank account for
Wednesday so effectively there's money there which I can't use
so I said can you just hold it open, they said yeah we can
transfer you onto a deposit account whereby you can add money
onto your account or draw money off the account if there's any
there whenever you want but essentially funds will always stay
on that account.
Is it like the equivalent of having erm a facility at a normal bank
whereby you know like an overdraft facility.
Yeah but you're not allowed to overdraw the account.
Right.
Erm but it's just like er you know I just phone them up and say
3.30 at Lingfield can you put me £50's each way on such and
such horse and they say fine, comes out my balance, if the horse
wins or whatever there's a return on it it then goes back onto my
balance.
So so far you've you've said then that a thousand that you think
was one of the day that you converted from your debit card to a
debit account, is that right?
Yeah I think so yeah.
Anything besides that?
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Well I mean since then erm I have been using erm when I put
covering betting.
JONES: Huhumh.
I would then you know he would give me money and I would
then keeping topping my current account up.
JONES: So it's eris
No cos that's money he owes me. That's money he's owed me
's money?
because I put the bets on for him, the horse has lost so then he
has to pay me, yeah?
Would you say would you consider yourself, would it be fair to
say that you're an amateur sort of a...
Gambler.
gambler?
Yeah,
Punter?
Yeah.
Racehorse and punter.
Yes.
Do the dogs as well?
Er 1 might have one bet on a dog per year.
SINGH: Have you been doing it for a long time?
' GRO: Gambling?
Yeah.
Erm yeah I put { mean it's always been an interest of mine,
betting or whatever erm and cert.. over the last year because
I've been working and I've had more time to study form and such
like and joined of er racing tips to organisations er I've been
doing it you know on a lot you know bigger scale.
jer a gambler as well?
Yes,
And do you think that er you did say earlier on that once you first
met him you were a business manager.
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At Lloyds TSB and what did you do advise him on setting up an
account er his business account?
Yeah well it was just basically erm you know he just wanted to
have a business account.
Since that time...
Yes.
«yeah, have you advised him on er a business erm...
No.
..level?
No.
You know from, any advice given to from what you know in the
business world?
Er...
Banking world.
No not reaily.
None at ali?
No.
He has solely, would it be fair to say that the only reason then is
your knowledge of horses and betting?
Yes.
And not your business acumen from Lloyds TSB business
manager?
{ don't get involved in the business at all. I don't know what goes
in the business or that, I'm not interested.
So we're gonna ask you one good question then at any meeting
that you've been to, whether it's been here, in this country...
Oh right yes.
or the U er sorry abroad.
In France yeah.
Yeah, have you been privy to any business meeting per
business activities o'
No.
So the only reason is there might be betting going on?
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Or he needs someone to drive.
Yes.
What, he does drive himself though doesn't he?
Oh he yeah he does but he doesn't enjoy it and I, I mean I just
offered like you know erm cos [ enjoy driving, I just don't mind
getting the car and just er tatting about here and there for no
specific reason you know it's just I just enjoy doing it.
Would he pay for any part without driving at all?
No no.
So you really rely on your weeks as er a punter?
Yes and...
To eam your money.
Yes.
Huhumh.
Do you own a bank account!
“lat all?
Yes yeah.
Can you tell me what you've got?
Er I've got a Lloyds TSB current account.
Lloyds TSB current account. Is that in your name?
Yes.
Yeah, and how much has that got in it?
Or not as the case may be.
How much has that not got in it?
it's about!
overdrawn.
overdrawn right, any other accounts?
Em ive got a joint account with my wife at Sainsburys.
Sainsburys, joint account, yeah.
And I would think not that she ever really shows me the balance
er statements on that but I would think the last time I looked
there might have been about i
in credit.
Yeah.
Okay. Er anything else beside all those?
_Erm.what.do you want to know about my loans or?
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I've got a personal loan with the bank.
Personal loan with Lloyds TSB?
Yeah.
And how much is that?
Phoo could be I would think about I
Er is that!
That's how much I owe, that would be the outstanding balance.
Right. Anything else?
Er credit cards.
Huhumh. Who are they with?
Phoo erm Lloyds TSB.
Yeah.
Barclay card.
Yeah.
Erm Morgan Stanway.
Yeah.
Er Marbles.
Huhumh.
ts that HFC Bank, I think it'll be HFC.
I've heard of it.
Yeah.
Marbles yeah.
Er erm, oh sorry.
that you owe or a loan off
Try not to worry, try not to if you can help it.
I think I've got another one but I can't think of the name.
Any Building Society accounts?
No.
Any mortgage at all?
Er yes.
Whose is that, in your name or?
it's in the wife's name.
Mortgage in the wife’s name is it, yeah.
__-Yeah_and my. house is in my_wife's name.
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JONES: What's your wife's name?
Er the only reason why the house is in
bought the house er while I was
JONES: Huhumh.
So we wanted to keep it separate from er I mean it's been when
we bought the house about 6 years ago.
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have you?
No.
How do you survive?
How do I survive? Erm well my phoo what are my outgoings, me
outgoings are, the or all the household bills er pays
the mortgage erm the only outgoings er I have er cover my debts
and going out.
Are you extremely lucky or or you know because what I'm trying
to say is...
I don't think I'm lucky sitting here at the moment no but...
What I'm trying to say to you is that...
Yeah.
.. doesn't your wife turn round to you and say eh come on I'm
doing my share what about you, I knew you haven't got any
outgoings but doesn’t she ever say to you you know?
No.
Cover your wedge.
Money's never been a motivating factor for me.
Huhumh.
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* a know but you know it doesn't worry me so erm what money
we've got we spend.
JONES: Humh. Well let's talk about the events of this morning, I know
we're coming towards the end of tape one, we'll change over for
the second tape in a moment right.
Yeah.
Erm you realise what happened this morning obviously...
Yes.
you were arrested this morning...
Yes.
..and the person arresting you I'm sure told you that you were
arrested on suspicion of money laundering.
Yes.
I better ask you first, do you understand what you mean by that
what it means by money laundering?
Well I think I do.
Right could you tell me what you think it is?
Erm it's basically I think it's money er derived from er a criminal
activity er which I think do they normally like sell it off ata
discounted rate to somebody else to dispose off, I don't know. I
mean that would be my general understanding of it.
JONES: That's your general understanding of it.
Yeah well I think yeah. I don't think I'm a million miles away
there.
JONES: Huhumh. And presumably do you appreciate that it's a criminal
oc oennenninnnn offence?
GRO ido yes.
JONES: : Right okay then. So there you were this morning standing
beside a silver BMW in Fort Dunlop car park.
Yes.
Right. Let's take it in very very simple essentials shall we.
Number one whose car were you standing beside?
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Yes.
Now the 64,000 dollar question, what were you doing there?
Er I was drivin:
Humh.
..to er the holiday hypermarket there and then I was going to go
and take hint (
Oxford.
Right. What was going to happen at the holiday hypermarket?
ind his wife down to their daughters near
Weill presumably he was going to take some euros in there which
I think converted into Stirling.
JONES: Right, how do you know he was going to take some euros in
there?
Erm because I know that or from what he has told me that he
collects euro.. he buys euros at the Post Office in Rugeley and
then takes them to a Travel Agents to sell them at a, he can, he
says he can make a turn on the rate between what he buys at
and what he sells at.
JONES: Huhumh. So in in the event of this morning then what did you or
what did you think was gonna happen? I mean I'm just trying fo
take it down into very very simple...
Yeah yeah okay.
So you're there, you're in the car park...
Alli dois L...
..have you driven him there so.
Yeah I drive him there, he gets out the car, goes in, comes out.
He got out the car and he went to the boot, this is where I
arrived, he takes out this big black holdall.
Yes yeah.
Right. So what did you think was in that holdall?
Well ! presume there were euros in there.
You presume them are euros in there.
H } Yeah.
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Yes yeah he uses it regularly. Well I think it's the one that yes
he uses the same one ail the time.
Had you seen that previously this morning?
No.
Right erm we'll come back to, go backwards through the morning
ina moment. Se you presume that bag had got euros in. Right,
and what did you think he was going to do with the euros?
; GRO I I just presumed he was going to take them into the holiday
company and er exchange them for Stirling.
Huhumh. Right, well that's what you understood.
Yes.
And in respect of today had he mentioned anything to you today
about what the business was for today?
Well after he'd done that?
No no well no just generally.
Well no he just said we're gonna go to the erm he wanted to go
to the holiday hypermarket first and then we would then be
driving down to Oxford to take erm his wife down to his
daughters. From there I think erm he hadn't got the rest of the
day exactly planned but he was talking about going over to
Swindon and Lamboure er to have a look at a stable in
Lambourne because he had done some business there. I think
with this I
JONES: Now then you said that you drive
driving
how do you come to be
Erm well whenever I drive for him I always drive [GRO car.
Right. Can you tell me how you come to pick if up then.
Er I drive round to his house in my car.
That's your car?
Yes.
And what have you got?
I've got a Ford Focus.
Right. So what time did you do that this morning then?
Ergot there about 9 o'clock.
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Huhumh. Do you ring him before you come?
No.
No does he ring you before you come?
Erm occasionally he might phone up and say you know if I've like
arranged to meet him at 9 o'clock or 9.15 or whatever sometimes
he might phone up and say make it half past 9 I'm running a bit
late.
JONES: Did he ring in this morning at all?
No.
Okay, so you did you why at that particular time did he turn up?
Erm he phoned me er either Saturday, Sunday was it, I think it
was Saturday he phoned me up and said er that it'd be 9 o'clock
on Monday.
JONES: So in fact he had phoned you on Saturday and said 9 o'clock.
He'd pre-arranged the time.
Oh yes sorry I thought you were on about had he phoned me
this morning no.
Yeah right...
Yeah yeah.
..well in fact you've now told me anyway, he rang you Saturday
and...
Yeah yeah.
and asked you to come round at 9 o'clock.
Yes.
So you drive around in your red car erm does your partner drive?
Yes.
Okay. Do you go in the house?
No.
So what happens then?
I get into his car.
Right.
Er wait for him.
Have you got the keys for his car?
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Yeah.
he'll come out, give me the keys.
He comes out, gives you the keys.
I get in the car.
Right.
Erm and then he'll generally might go back in the house or
whatever and then comes out, a few minutes later he gets in the
car and away we go.
Right. This morning did that same thing happen?
Yes.
Yeah.
The only difference like today was that his wife accompanied us.
Normally it wouldn't be.
Who was the lady who was on the back seat.
Yes.
Right. When he gave you the keys erm did he bring anything out
to the car?
Erm he brought a box that he put on the front seat.
Huhumh.
Erm and that was all I saw I think.
You saw nothing else in the car?
No.
Whilst you were there on the...
No.
..or since you drove off.
Yeah that's ail I did basically.
Okay. And then he came back to the car and er well he and the
lady joined you.
Yes.
(Buzzer on tape goes off).
That noise by the way just shows that we're coming towards the
end of the tape.
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And did he say anything to you at all about what he was going to
be doing first?
Erm he said er just head towards Birmingham.
JONES: Yeah.
"ARC Er and er he said er I think he was waiting on a phone call from
somewhere to see where he might go and change his euros.
Right okay. Well I think since it's 44 and the time is 10 past 2 .
That's all I intend to ask you. I'll ask Mr Singh if he'd like to turn
the tape off.
SINGH: Yeah. Tape 1 being terminated now.
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