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Sent: 12 May 2010 11:41
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Subject: FW: Porters Avenue SPSO- HOSI - Expert Witness
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Gareth
The defence are having to put forward a Section 8 application outlining a.
skeleton argument why they require all of the data - which should have been
received by 4 o'clock yesterday. That has not been received and we were
assured it would have been here first thing this morning - it is still not
here. We are not sure why they are bringing along their expert witness and
what questions he may have which is why we cannot give you advance notice.
Once the Section’8 has been received we may have an idea as to what they
may ‘be asking and whether they are still going ahead with their request.
If they decide. that their expert witness will not be required then
obviously you will not be needed either.
I will let you know as soon as the Section 8 has been received or if it is
not being pursued. It maybe wishful thinking on my part but the delay
maybe due to a change of plea!
Sotry for the inconvenience just before your leave.
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Lisa,
I thought it simplest to get in touch with you directly.
Firstly, I am available on Friday if I really am needed, though I could do
without a day out in London just before I go on leave! However I am not
available the following week when I understand the actual trial is on. I
understand that the case is at Snaresbrook Crown Court (and I've found out
where it is and how to get there) but that the actual time is unknown until
sometime on Thursday.
I'm still not clear why I'm being asked to go to court for the pre-trial
hearing. From your email below it sounds like ‘it is purely a question of
how many months of data to retrieve for the defence to analyse. I agree
that generating 10 months worth seems a lot and unnecessary, but I don't
see that it needs a Technical expert such as myself to say that. What I
yould say is that-if snapshots are taken they should cover two BTSs so that
a complete Trading Period (one at the beginning and one at the end) are
available since it is at TP rollover that we ensure that the System
accounts align with the declarations, and this would best illustrate what
you have claimed is going on. However is it reallyiworth arguing about?
Isn't it simplest just to give them the 10 months of data rather than waste
time arguing about it? :
However there is a possible implication in the email below that the Defence
have asked for me to be present so as to ask me undisclosed questions. Is
that the case? Is that allowed? I'm not very happy about the idea of
"going in blind" and don't. want to appear not to know what I'm talking
about (which seems a distinct danger to me at the moment).
Please can I have a copy of the Expert Witness report. As you may ‘know
I've had discussions with Charles Mclachlan on the West Byfleet case. He
seemed fairly happy there that there was nothing amiss with Horizon and is
now trying to dig in other directions.
Regards -
Gareth
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From: Thomas Penny
Sent: 07 May 2010 17:47
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Subject: FW: Porters Avenue SPSO - HOSI - Expert Witness
Gareth
More detail here for you.
Penny
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Penny
i'm very well thank you - I hope you're okay.
In summary this case is related to theft/false accounting over. a period of
about 10 months. Mr Hosi admitted at interview that when he balanced he
would enter the amount of cash shown on his snapshot/trial balance in order
to show a clear balance. He would then roll over and re-enter the actual
cash on hand which would be a lot lower - gradually building up to a loss
of £72k.
There is nothing Gareth needs to review about this case. The defence are
requesting 10 months worth of data and I have suggested that we provide 3
months. A period at the start of the fraud, in the middle and at the end.
The defendant has admitted to False Accounting at, interview (although he
pleaded ‘not guilty') but denied the theft. We are aware of what he did and
how he did it - he told us. Therefore’I do not see why such a vast amount
of data is required as each month will be the same. Having received all the
data requested for the case of MISRA (West Byfleet) I think they think it
is their right to have the same in this case. I have said that the data is
available but will be at their cost - hence the request for the quote.
AS regard to the questions for. Gareth they have not mentioned anything in
particular so I'm not sure of what questions they will ask. It maybe that
they are going to get their expert witness to say why all the data is
needed and we need Gareth to say that a sample will be sufficient. I have
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sent in a copy of the expert witness report from McLaughlin to Phil Budd on
Tuesday which I think a guy called David Harrison has got. Are you able to
get this from him or shall I send another copy?
The trial is due to start on Monday 17th May but on Friday the court will
decide what data should be provided if any. If the court makes an order
that data is to be provided then the trial will be put off again. We will
not know until Thursday afternoon what time the hearing will be on Friday.
I will call you if that's okay to let you know.
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Have a good weekend.
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Thanks Jane.
Lisa - I hope all is well with you. We have some questions:-
Can you give us more detail on the questions Gareth.is going to be
asked? Is he contesting something that McLaughlan has provided? Can
you forward his statement?
We have produced transaction logs - is there anything particular Gareth
needs to review?
Is this the actual trial?
Gareth may have other questions next. week; I will be in touch if he has.
I'd be grateful for your prompt response on this.
Kind regards
Penny
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Fujitsu Services Retail & Royal Mail Group Account
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Subject: Porters Avenue SPSO - HOSI - Expert Witness
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As discussed earlier - please see below a formal request from Lisa
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This is a formal request for Gareth Jenkins to attend a hearing at
Snaresbrook Crown Court, London on Friday 14th May (time to be
confirmed)
as an expert witness for Post Office Ltd in the case of HOSI (Porters
Avenue SPSO). The defence are bringing along their expert witness who is
also the expert witness in the case of MISRA (West Byfleet). Whilst I
maybe
able to answer general questions around the Horizon system I have no
technical expertise which is the reason for the request.
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